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Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by tochiro on 2010-08-17 01:21:24

Hi Line6,

The HD500 is general knowledge now.  If you don't officially announce it, we are going to think that the leaks were organized.  Why wait?

Cheers



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phazersonstun on 2010-08-20 16:02:17

<a target=new href=http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/kanaryprod/POD_HD_ad.jpg" class="jive-image" src="http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/kanaryprod/POD_HD_ad.jpg"/>

This ad appears in the Oct. issue of Guitar World



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-08-21 04:38:39

looks pretty good so far, Im interested

I had a x3live for several years, liked it but sold it for a spider 4 75, the amp is easier for me to navigate around

I imagine there will be more of this to come, like an all out model HD1000 to go with the high end Variax2

almost looks like you could run 2 amps with a single effects path, not sure the photo gets fuzzy enlarged



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by nuser101 on 2010-08-21 05:27:17

The most interesting thing to me about this product is "16 amps." Either it's a typo, missing a zero at the end, or it means that L6 has finally decided to focus on 16 really good models, instead of 72 OK ones, something people have been asking for a long time around here.

I wonder if the new definition of "amp model" will include all amp channels for each amp. If that's the case, this product may actually be something fresh from L6. It's been a while.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hotraman on 2010-08-21 08:32:18

I just sold my X3L this week.

Ready for a change.

My user experience was good for the most part.

Regarding the HD 500, I'll take a look at it, but I'll wait for the "bugs" to be worked out.

I would rather have 16 great amp options, than the 100's +.

I ended up using 5 or 6 most of the time ( including the tube preamp)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by papersoul on 2010-08-21 11:38:22

I agree! I think most modellers have too many amp models! I don't have years to sift through amp models, just give me a handful of great ones.

Anyone have an idea if this will have an idea if this will have bass amp models and vocal preamp models? I need thoughs too!

I love my X3 Pro but this looks nice.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-08-21 12:16:19

I posted this in another thread about the HD POD

these are the facts we know based on a vendors description

this is from a thread in the X3 Forum

Does anyone else have the scoop on the PodHD500

It appears the adds have been pulled from all of the sites linked in this thread:

This posted by jayson2 -

The  Pod HD 300 and 400 have been posted on JRRShop.  Generic  description  so far (same for both the 300 and 400) and no mention of the  500 yet.   Here's the text:

Line 6 POD HD400
[podhd400]
$399.00USD

Years   of groundbreaking research have led us to create an entirely new set  of  modeling tools. Using the resulting HD amp modeling technology to   recreate 16 vintage and modern amps from the ground up has led us to  POD  HD.
Proprietary research tools,  unparalleled  technical expertise and painstaking attention to detail  has allowed  Line 6 to deliver the most authentic tone and realistic  feel ever  available in any amp modeling product.
Main Features:
•     A covetable collection of 16 amps delivered with unmatched HD realism
•     An inspiring compilation of 100 effects including the complete set from the critically acclaimed DL4, MM4, FM4 and DM4.
•     Amazing new effects including looping, pitch shifting and harmonizing for additional creative expression.
•       Comprehensive I/O including analog, digital, balanced, unbalanced,    Variax and USB means you’re always ready to perform in any environment.
•       Flexible signal chain scales within the line from easy pre/post  routing  to allowing any effect to be placed in any slot in any order.
•     Compatibility with new Line 6 adaptive amps enables an unprecedented level of integration, communication and control.
•     All metal construction including heavy duty metal footswitches and expression pedal to withstand on-stage abuse.

http://www.jrrshop.com/catalog/line-hd400-p-10120.html



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by nuser101 on 2010-08-21 12:50:47

The claim is that the amp modelling technology has been reworked, and that's presumably the reason that there are now 16 models. It would be interesting to know if there is a license between FractalAudio and Line 6.

I have no information to that effect, but L6 has pushed the same technology for a long time. It's often the case that licensing is cheaper than R&D, so who knows?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-08-21 17:53:08

wonder what "new adaptive amps" means?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-21 23:12:26

This is an easy question guys. We have dealers and press that have to keep it underwraps. Leaks suck. Just hang in there. All will be revealed. So sorry guys. But it is very very exciting.

Here is what I posted at the Gear Page about how I am feeling about it.

Let me put it this way. I have been working on the James Tyler Variax  and if these guitars are Iron Man, the gear that is coming that our guitar will  hook up to is War Machine. Back to back destruction.

war-machine-iron-man-2-1600.jpg



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-21 23:16:22

nuser101 wrote:

The claim is that the amp modelling technology has been reworked, and that's presumably the reason that there are now 16 models. It would be interesting to know if there is a license between FractalAudio and Line 6.

I have no information to that effect, but L6 has pushed the same technology for a long time. It's often the case that licensing is cheaper than R&D, so who knows?

The ad says 2 years in the making. The genesis of this was already being talked about when I got to Line 6 in 2005. So no, there is no license with any other company.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-08-22 04:32:34

Thanks, Rich, this gives me some time to start saving

If anyone wants to follow some of Rich's posts about this over at the gear page, here is the link:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=759493

Rich does a good job handling some of those fussy fellows  there

well, this has made for a more interesting weekend, sounds like the new gear coming will be a big leap forward

Like John Lennon would say, "gettin betta all the time!"



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by stumpsout on 2010-08-22 12:47:59

thanks Rich...this is all fantastic news!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by wardick on 2010-08-22 13:16:38

They never specify what the HD really means.  Has Dots?  Half Done Hanoi Dung?  Two years in the making brick by brick, but already working on it since 2k5, sold everything in between for better or worse to keep cashflow going for the HD.   I think for a great release the tech needs to really be a step up and all the rest of it needs to be there too such as editor, vst and whatever else is part of the complete product.   None of this wait many months for the rest to catch up like the X3 rollout.   I think it was leaked on purpose to build the buzz regarless of what Renkin says about it afterall its that time of year and the cycle of things.  I hope its a great product since lots of folks will buy it just because its the next new thing.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by stumpsout on 2010-08-22 14:02:11

yeah, the X3L launch is not something I want to go through again..I will wait for a bit this time.

But i am playing in a Beatles tribute band now using my old Variax, it sure is handy for that!...so i have my eye on the new Vax already and will be hoping that it has a good new partner to help me with switching the guitars by footswitch...and hopefully a good Vox amp model in there!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by toneman2121 on 2010-08-22 17:51:41

well i think HD could mean one of two things, hi-def or heavy duty. i'm going with heavy duty. if ithe technology isn't updated, i will be very disappointed. if it is then it will probably be out of my price range anyway



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by wardick on 2010-08-22 18:26:47

Thats why they have 3 models instead of one.  You can compromise something and buy the one you can at the price point you can afford and still have whatever the HD hullabaloo is all about.   There will probably be a dozen other variants that show up over the life cycle.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by cgtrox on 2010-08-22 20:33:03

WOW, great news Rich! Can't wait to hear it, I'm gonna vote HD stands for Hi-Def. Will this be the Axe killer? It's all about price and sound, I wait patiently.....

cgtrox



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-23 05:59:59

"previously unachievable realism in attack, dynamics, compression and aggression"

So, what you have now, is crap. Tube guys win!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-08-23 06:23:15

Such cynicism!  Over one leaked advertisement, nonetheless...  I'll never understand why these things breed such strong feelings and competition.  We're just electric guitarists, people.  It seems to me that Line 6 has perhaps listened to a few of the criticisms that have been leveled against them and actually responded.  It just goes to show that there are a lot of people who simply can't be pleased.

Honestly, I'm pretty much happy with my setup right now, and I don't necessarily use amp modeling that much since I don't go direct anymore, but I would still be willing to look at this product with an open mind.  I just don't understand the negativity.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-23 06:25:45

I'd be surprised.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-23 06:34:30

Yea, it was a leak. Right. Nice toy analogy though.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-23 06:37:06

Hubris De facto



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by nuser101 on 2010-08-23 07:13:55

Hey Mikey, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

According to L6 Renken, I was wrong, so you needn't express surprise. I was off base, and Renken made the tag - I'm out.

Anyway, I don't view your post as cynical at all. I've been through enough of the modelling cycles to know that none of them are perfect, but most of them are good enough for live direct use in a bar, unless you just have to have that feel behind you on stage. Bars just aren't good critical listening environments, so anything reasonable will cut it. Lots of gear from different manufacturers to choose from, and calling one the best is so much a matter of opinion that it's not worth being an early adopter of any of them, IMO.

I suppose you could cite the Axe-FX as a possible contender for "best of show". There are lots of very positive reviews from great players who haven't signed endorsement deals. It's not clear whether any of them use the amp models in live performance though. Petrucci bought one just for FX in his "B rig" http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68428 .



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-23 08:07:49

I am very interested to know this as well. I'm far more interested in 16 great models that rival the Axe-FX but for the great price of L6 gear, than 1000 models (okay, I exaggerate) that are just above average, many of which sound too similar to each other.

Really looking forward to this, as I'd love a floorboard modeler for quick impromptu jams where I don't feel like packing my amp, effects, etc.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-23 08:11:03

Line6Renken wrote:

This is an easy question guys. We have dealers and press that have to keep it underwraps. Leaks suck. Just hang in there. All will be revealed. So sorry guys. But it is very very exciting.

Here is what I posted at the Gear Page about how I am feeling about it.

Let me put it this way. I have been working on the James Tyler Variax  and if these guitars are Iron Man, the gear that is coming that our guitar will  hook up to is War Machine. Back to back destruction.

war-machine-iron-man-2-1600.jpg

If the POD HD stuff is as good as the new Variax stuff, I think we're all in for a treat. From what I've heard Ed DeGenero do with the JT Variax, it's really quite stunning.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by donfrantz on 2010-08-23 10:12:26

I'm looking forward to hearing this. If it's as good as the M13, I'd think about selling my Axe FX, and get the HD 500, and new Tyler Variax to go with it. Could be a very simple and versatile system--if the Amp models are good! And having Rich Renken working on it makes me hopeful!



Re: Progress?
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-23 12:13:54

Given the recent disconnect from the X3 series and the POD Farm 2.0, this is a good idea for the company. (no X3 POD Farm 2.0 freebie unless you new X3L buyer!) The X3 is done, hopefully whats next will be functional...I got pretty bent when I realized the POD Farm 2.0 had nothing to do with the X3 anymore, other than it's a dongle, AND, they only throw the freebie bone to the folks who bought or activated the POD Farm 1.1 after a certain date.

If there really are 3 tiers of this new "HD" POD modeler, split decisions like that are not a good sign. 3 Levels of floor board quality?

Who cares. Audio Quality!! What is HD, as in BluRay HD? 24 bit / 192k? OR Higher...?...Better than BluRay audio?

Hope it sounds better than the X3!!!! Which, still sounds just tonally "fun" after all these years, but just not HD or anything near it. However, after 30 seconds listening into a recent clip recorded with an AXE-FX ULTRA, and I get a WOW moment I will never achieve nor experience with the X3, POD Farm, etc.

PERHAPS their new POD=HD line will be smoking hot and awesome - but it has a LOT to compete with. Made in the USA for around $3,000 total package. (2k for the Ultra, 800 bucks for the MIDI foot controller) Yeah, that's a steep curve for the average shopper looking for a $200 to $700 range thing. But, man, it better sound good, no matter what it costs. And not break. And not require 9 months of firmware before it even works properly......

Skeptical? Yes. Why? Because I bought one of the first POD X3 Lives, and had to have the footswitches repaired, and now I have to have the volume/wah pedal repaired. And I would dig having the new POD Farm 2.0 to go with it, but I bought mine too soon. The newer POD buyers who are getting the same thing, with the hardware fixes in place, are rewarded for coming on later in the game, rather than those who supported a deeply flawed product from the start. Sour grapes, I know, I must sound like a wanker.

Will I be spending $50 on the POD Farm 2.0 Plugin? No, because I am so lame my computer doesn't support the minimum requirements. Dang.

How about that POD HD? I'll check it out at the store. I'll probably be tempted to want one. But, honestly, at this point, it's:

"Fool Me Once, Shame On You, Fool Me Twice, Shame On Me"

Until they release the prodcut, and people don't have major issue with things not working, etc. I'm saving every last one of my coin for a Made-In-The-USA Product. $3k, EEK! Yikes!! Worth it?? Yeah, I think so. After my time with the POD X3L from 2007 to now, yup.



Re: Progress?
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-23 13:12:13

Sorry if that sounded harsh and ranty and negative.. I'd like to keep this positive, so here's thoughts on how this could be stellar:

1. The NEW Pod FARM 2 package allows you to use multiple instances of any given effect, at any point in the signal chain

2. Using higher processing power has enabled the modelling to sound better, and more realistice - less FIZZ, less digital.

Coupling these two ideas, the new box could be similar to the M13 in flexible signal routing, paired with amp modelling - focused in, restrained, and well executed. 16 amp models that ALL sound amazing and real is better than 72 which ALL sound marginal, fizzy, and digital.

Compressor? That X3 Compressor is USELESS GARBAGE. they MUST have rewired how they programmed that mess, please tell me yes? That compressor just added fizz. If you want to sound more digital and boost fizz, there you go. It has an "auto" volume function in it, which just didn't work for me. Tried it. Also, not flexible in signal routing placement, and need more control. 2 knob? Come on. 6 knob minimum. Compression, Attack time, Input Level, Output Level - four crucial at least!

Sorry, I digress into negative land..

The compressor only has room to improve! Voted Most Likely To Be Better Than Before!!

I'd also love to be able to customize just what is actually loaded into the unit at any given time. I'd leave off ALL the synths, and the warbles, and all the junk, and pack on just the effects I want to use - and be able to have the processing power work better as a result. More routing, higer fidelity, quicker whatever. Load the effects you intend to use per gig ala carte, and then the processor isn't bogged down with wasted space and wasted effects.

Now, in keeping things positive, the question to ask is this:

POLYPHONIC TRACKING????????????

Are the synth, octave and pitch effects functional yet? Becuse they don't work on the X3. The octone amp model? Garbage, can't handle more than one note, and even that, it's iffy. Pitch shifting? Useless mess. Sad really. Synths? Garbage, total garbage. Utterly worthless. Waste of space. Could they be any more non-functional? Same statement applies to far too much of what is in the X3.

So, I do HOPE they have full on, intelligent harmonizer, with amazing tracking. And by that I mean, not a single digital glitch at all ever, in any part of any sequence of sound. None. We are NOT settling for that again. It's embarrasing. Seriously. Go listen to the Axe-FX Pitch shifting sound samples, and make sure it's that good. Not one iota less. No warble, no missed notes, no tracking and shifting the wrong note, no farting, no hissing, no spitting. No X3.

So, since the X3 is so bad in that regard, we've only got room for improvement! It's only going to get better!! It's as bad as it's going to be now, so whatever happens next will sound better. Yay!

So how about that tracking?.... The verdict awaits. That will be the lynchpin. I know the M13 has intelligent harmony, but how well does it track? So-so, it's certainly not as bad off as the X3, but it's got issues too. Wheras the POD, the FLAGSHIP, the MOST ADVANCED MODELER OF 2007, doesn't even have that - because the processor can't hang.... Without that date clarifier, it's just not true. It's no flagship, it's not even the most advanced pedal board currently on the market, even in it's more limited budget price range!

We Need to restrain marketing a little bit. I know, they are an excitable bunch. Best to be amazing and modest, rather than outspoken and flawed. Hopefully, lessons were learned after the years of X3 issues? Quality first, self-congratulatory statements after. Don't say anything about Iron Man, or years in the making, or rebuilding anything from the ground up. That just spells BUGS. Oops, missed that. Ooops, didn't get that right. Build it well, make it sound amazing, make it not break, etc. You know what to do.

We'll see, one way or another. What I want, is to hear!!!!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-23 15:19:35

Ummm, they've all been leaked. Seriously. I heard about every single new product via a "leak". I think it's to the point where they ought to start saying it with a wink.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-23 19:49:54

wardick wrote:

They never specify what the HD really means.  Has Dots?  Half Done Hanoi Dung?  Two years in the making brick by brick, but already working on it since 2k5, sold everything in between for better or worse to keep cashflow going for the HD.   I think for a great release the tech needs to really be a step up and all the rest of it needs to be there too such as editor, vst and whatever else is part of the complete product.   None of this wait many months for the rest to catch up like the X3 rollout.   I think it was leaked on purpose to build the buzz regarless of what Renkin says about it afterall its that time of year and the cycle of things.  I hope its a great product since lots of folks will buy it just because its the next new thing.

Please don't say regardless of what I say. I do not lie, I do not fudge, I do not imply to confuse. I don't even work in the marketing dept. I had to ask them if it would be ok to let you guys know what is up. My title is luthier/customer advocate. I am telling you, we didn't want it leaked. For many reasons. Many that guys have guessed here.  So as a guy who looks out for our customers, I thought it would be good to come in and let you know what I can for now. Soon you guys will know all. It is a great product. Major artists who have seen it are floored and want to use it, NOW. Monster engineers are dying to record with it all. But, yes, it will be also be the next new thing, but it will also be the next BIG thing.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-23 20:01:13

toneman2121 wrote:

well i think HD could mean one of two things, hi-def or heavy duty. i'm going with heavy duty. if ithe technology isn't updated, i will be very disappointed. if it is then it will probably be out of my price range anyway

Guys, really? You think that we would add HD to mean Heavy Duty when Line 6 is a technology company. We would know that most would think it was High Definition, so that would be kinda foolhardy, right? So if I were guessing, I sure wouldn't guess Heavy Duty. Over at the gear page, they know what we meant and to be fun, they are posting all kinds of wacky anwers.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-23 20:05:17

mikey1 wrote:

Yea, it was a leak. Right. Nice toy analogy though.

It was not a leak. One, I don't lie, ask these guys, here or at TGP or HRI. Some know me in real life. Two, if I say it was not a leak, it was not a leak. It would be illegal and my next meeting would be in our lawyer's office. So please guys, hang tight.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-23 20:07:31

nuser101 wrote:

Hey Mikey, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

According to L6 Renken, I was wrong, so you needn't express surprise. I was off base, and Renken made the tag - I'm out.

Anyway, I don't view your post as cynical at all. I've been through enough of the modelling cycles to know that none of them are perfect, but most of them are good enough for live direct use in a bar, unless you just have to have that feel behind you on stage. Bars just aren't good critical listening environments, so anything reasonable will cut it. Lots of gear from different manufacturers to choose from, and calling one the best is so much a matter of opinion that it's not worth being an early adopter of any of them, IMO.

I suppose you could cite the Axe-FX as a possible contender for "best of show". There are lots of very positive reviews from great players who haven't signed endorsement deals. It's not clear whether any of them use the amp models in live performance though. Petrucci bought one just for FX in his "B rig" http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68428 .

Are you saying that the pro players that use our gear have signed an endorsement deal? They haven't. They play our stuff because they love it as well. X3's are not just in bars.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-08-23 20:09:50

donfrantz wrote:

I'm looking forward to hearing this. If it's as good as the M13, I'd think about selling my Axe FX, and get the HD 500, and new Tyler Variax to go with it. Could be a very simple and versatile system--if the Amp models are good! And having Rich Renken working on it makes me hopeful!

I am not working on it. We all interact and many things we learned doing the M13 we have moved to these new things. But the guys working on it are way smarter than me and bad a$$ cats. So all is well. You are going to have a blast.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by nuser101 on 2010-08-24 04:25:51

Line6Renken wrote:

nuser101 wrote:

Hey Mikey, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

According to L6 Renken, I was wrong, so you needn't express surprise. I was off base, and Renken made the tag - I'm out.

Anyway, I don't view your post as cynical at all. I've been through enough of the modelling cycles to know that none of them are perfect, but most of them are good enough for live direct use in a bar, unless you just have to have that feel behind you on stage. Bars just aren't good critical listening environments, so anything reasonable will cut it. Lots of gear from different manufacturers to choose from, and calling one the best is so much a matter of opinion that it's not worth being an early adopter of any of them, IMO.

I suppose you could cite the Axe-FX as a possible contender for "best of show". There are lots of very positive reviews from great players who haven't signed endorsement deals. It's not clear whether any of them use the amp models in live performance though. Petrucci bought one just for FX in his "B rig" http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68428 .

Are you saying that the pro players that use our gear have signed an endorsement deal? They haven't. They play our stuff because they love it as well. X3's are not just in bars.

I said nothing about the X3 or L6 in that post, except that my speculation was wrong.

Pro players have used XT's for recording, without deals, even before the X3 days. I can think of Angus Clark and Jeff Beck as immediate examples. I believe Steve Howe may have used an XT in concert a few times. Guitar World is full of examples of that.

I did say that, among the existing crop of modellers, what you use in bars doesn't matter much, and I still think that.  I believe that, in a recording venue, L6 holds a slight upper hand on $500 modelers, but I believe there are other modelers out there that are equally suited to live usage. I still believe that, too.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-24 09:06:06

Line6Renken wrote:

toneman2121 wrote:

well i think HD could mean one of two things, hi-def or heavy duty. i'm going with heavy duty. if ithe technology isn't updated, i will be very disappointed. if it is then it will probably be out of my price range anyway

Guys, really? You think that we would add HD to mean Heavy Duty when Line 6 is a technology company. We would know that most would think it was High Definition, so that would be kinda foolhardy, right? So if I were guessing, I sure wouldn't guess Heavy Duty. Over at the gear page, they know what we meant and to be fun, they are posting all kinds of wacky anwers.

While I understand why the "HD" moniker was used and what it means, I gotta say I'm burned out on all the "HD" stuff from companies in general. It's the new buzzword/phrase de jour.

However, that won't in any way influence me in my decision to buy it obviously, since it's just a name. And if the models are that good, HD would describe them.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pbear5 on 2010-08-24 09:23:06

while i really don't care about the name of the product i do think it's interesting that Line6 already has an HD400 product where the HD stands for HeaD and the 400 for the wattage of the amp.

i have to say that i am skeptical about the dramatic drop in amp models.  no, i really don't need more than 16 amps but they have to be the right ones.  when i had a POD 1.0 i only used the two high gain amps so i'm sure that, of the HD collection, i would optimistically only be interested in 4 of them.  isn't it possible to load in the 106 Standard Definition amps along with the 16 High Definition amps?  A Standard Definition Chemical X is going to sound better than a High Definition Marshall attempting to sound like a Chemical X right?

that said, i'm not really the target market for this line anymore--i am more interested in what's next for Studio POD.  i loved my XTLive but it's sitting in a closet.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-24 09:29:37

pbear5 wrote:

while i really don't care about the name of the product i do think it's interesting that Line6 already has an HD400 product where the HD stands for HeaD and the 400 for the wattage of the amp.

i have to say that i am skeptical about the dramatic drop in amp models.  no, i really don't need more than 16 amps but they have to be the right ones.  when i had a POD 1.0 i only used the two high gain amps so i'm sure that, of the HD collection, i would optimistically only be interested in 4 of them.  isn't it possible to load in the 106 Standard Definition amps along with the 16 High Definition amps?  A Standard Definition Chemical X is going to sound better than a High Definition Marshall attempting to sound like a Chemical X right?

that said, i'm not really the target market for this line anymore--i am more interested in what's next for Studio POD.  i loved my XTLive but it's sitting in a closet.

Good point, I didn't even think of the bass head.

I still to this day only use maybe 5 different models in POD Farm, so provided the models selected are good, I'm not concerned. I don't even really use the dual function at all, though I am sure many do. I just need Fender clean, Marshall gain, Mesa gain, Vox crunch. Anything beyond that is just icing on the cake for me. But I'm of course just one example. It must be tough for L6 to design something limited to "only" 16 models when everyone's so different in preferences.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-24 17:36:23

I did not intend to intimate anyone was being untruthful. I am often unaware of how I come off when I write. Maybe if I used more smiley faces.

Everything I've said is directed at the company and not an individual. And always with a sense of humor. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and I understand it's a job. People get pissed at me all the time for not knowing any Poison. ( I do, I just feel stupid playing it )

For me, this is like, finally! If I was a bettin' man, I'm not sure where I'd jump on the success. On the one hand, you have several shall we say, dubious rollouts. No software support for very, very, soon periods of time. (see what I did there?)  On the other, hey, they have to have learned by now. Again, not anybody individually, more like, the company. And, no offence intended.

It will be fun to watch no matter how it goes.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maqaf1 on 2010-08-24 19:56:51
The ad says 2 years in the making. The genesis of this was already being
talked about when I got to Line 6 in 2005. So no, there is no license
with any other company.

I guess, technically, it would be at least 5 years in the making.

I just happened to stumble on the ad in GW and it piqued my curiosity. As a guitarist/producer, I earn my living with a combination of Line 6, vintage and boutique amps. I own every generation of POD and plan on putting any Fractal consideration on hold. For my wallet's sake, I hope this one's a winner.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-08-25 00:17:43

I feel pretty miserable :-((

I only recently bought an X3L (May10) and have to be honest am still struggling a bit to get the sounds I want out of it.  Having said that, I'm sure that they're there and it just needs work.  I have wondered whether I should have bought the Boss GT10 instead.

BUT, now I'm told that it's defunct and the new much improved HD version is coming out imminently!

Ideally I'd sell the X3L and then upgrade to HD, or competitor, but as soon as the HD is released the sale value of the X3L will go through the floor and I don't have the extra money.

Like I said feeling pretty miserable and dissappointed ... ... ...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pbear5 on 2010-08-25 04:21:30

i don't have access to all of the research that Line6 Product Management does so this is as uneducated as an opinion can be but where i thought Line6 should be headed was that all of their products would essentially give you access to POD Farm or whatever the name for the Collection becomes.  they basically have these assets which are their models (amps both Standard & High Definition, cabs, effects also apparently Standard and High Definition "M" series) and their hardware products are essentially license to access them.  just give us a choice of hardware and different packages of models and we choose how and where we want to use them.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-08-25 04:54:32

Given Line 6's history with how they handle existing product lines when a new one comes out, I'd still be surprised if the X3L is being discontinued.  Actually, the only place I see it marked as clearance is on the Musician's Friend site, and even there, the price has not changed.  The XTL has been available throughout the X3 line's lifespan, so I'd imagine that Line 6 will keep something from the X3 line around for awhile.  At the very least, I'd imagine they'll continue to support the X3 stuff for some time to come.

I can understand the feeling, though.  It seems like we are always buying things that get replaced by the next big thing.  I suppose if you were drawn to buy the X3L in first place, there must have been something that made you like it.  Those things didn't change regardless of what Line 6 does next.  It's easy to get more caught up in the hype of getting the new thing at the expense of getting the most out of what you have now.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-08-25 05:57:32

Very fair comment Phil.

I bought the X3L as my friend has the XTL and was pretty happy with it.  I originally was going to get a TC Electronic Nova System, but it demo'd badly in the shop.  In the end I decided as I do a lot with home studio as well as live I was probably just as well off with the X3L.  In hindsight the change of decision was pretty 'snap'.

Having said that, what the product offers is perfect - home studio integration and live gig functionality.  I just wish I could get the sounds I want - I still struggle with a smooth blues / solo tone through my combo amp for example.  I agree with what a lot of people have said that there are so many amp models (and effects) in the X3L that I would actually rather have a few very high quality ones.  I have a young family and limited time, so too much choice can be bad.

When a new digital effect unit is released it is reviewed as being awesome, then a year later it isn't and a new one is on it's way... ... whereas tube amps from 20 years ago still sound awesome. Perhaps digital effects boxes are reviewed as awesome compared to the last generation, rather than compared to our tone expectations?

I will persevere and hope I can ignore the HD range :-)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by brue58ski on 2010-08-25 15:28:02

I have never understood this attitude.  So since they are coming out with a better product because they now have more powerful DSP's to work with they are bad?  I mean using your theory, they should never come out with anything until the ultimate in processing has been invented.  C'mon man, think about what you are saying.  Using your logic there would have been no Line 6 products for the past 10 years.  Mr. Renken said in a post that they have been working on these new models for about 5 years.  Were they supposed to be doing that for free?  Oh and without offering the products they had, which have worked just fine for me.  Remember the first video games.  Are you saying they never should have come out with them until now?  Oh wait, there's better technology on the horizon.  Not until a future date.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pbear5 on 2010-08-25 16:19:26

brue58ski wrote:

I have never understood this attitude.  So since they are coming out with a better product because they now have more powerful DSP's to work with they are bad?  I mean using your theory, they should never come out with anything until the ultimate in processing has been invented.  C'mon man, think about what you are saying.  Using your logic there would have been no Line 6 products for the past 10 years.  Mr. Renken said in a post that they have been working on these new models for about 5 years.  Were they supposed to be doing that for free?  Oh and without offering the products they had, which have worked just fine for me.  Remember the first video games.  Are you saying they never should have come out with them until now?  Oh wait, there's better technology on the horizon.  Not until a future date.

i agree to an extent but it does suck to be caught on the back end of a technology life cycle.  there is a site for mac geeks that tells you when to buy or when to wait because something new is coming soon.  i like that because you can decide whether or not you can wait for the new tech or maybe you'll want to pick up a clearance bargain.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-25 17:38:54

It may sound extraordinarily silly, but I went back to tube amps because I was comfortable with their relative simplicity as well as the lack of fear of being obsolete. They already are!

That being said, I'm a tech geek at heart, so I'm still always keeping an eye on this stuff. At a certain point you have to say "is what i have now, be it digital or analog, getting the tone I want?"

That could be with the new POD HD, but it could be with the POD 1.0 too. It all depends. There's no rule saying you need the latest and greatest, even with digital. At least that's what I keep telling myself everytime a new iPod touch or Mac comes out.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-08-26 01:45:56

I realise my post is a bit of a whine Bru58ski and do agree that a company needs to sell what it's got whilst developing for the future - believe it or not, I'm quite a realist :-).  The problem was less Line6 than me not testing the system sufficiently before buying.  I got a decent sound in store and naively thought (and believed my friend) that with tweaking anything would be possible.  Of course that's rubbish, though I am getting closer to what I want all the time.

Tone is everything - oh and reliability, erm and usability, erm so tone isn't actually everything ... .. but it's pretty important :-)

Apologies for the whinge - I'll redress with some positives.  Whilst some people have complained about it, I find the X3L mechanically robust and so long as I don't fling it around the stage don't see why there should be any problems.  The DAW integration with POD Farm, etc. is slick.  The interface is simple and easy to use, even during on-stage panics.  The community here is also great.

Am I forgiven :-)

P.S. it is a little agravating to be on the tail end of a technology - oops blew it! DOH!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by tochiro on 2010-08-26 03:52:18

Still no details about the HD500... Everybody know a few "leaked" features but no official announcement after 2 weeks of this preposterous situation.

Really, Line6, why?  Do you think this will make me more prone to buy your product?  Not at all!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-08-26 04:51:48

"He that can have patience can have what he will." - Benjamin Franklin

"The waiting is the hardest part..." - Tom Petty



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pbear5 on 2010-08-26 05:09:38

tochiro wrote:

Still no details about the HD500... Everybody know a few "leaked" features but no official announcement after 2 weeks of this preposterous situation.

Really, Line6, why?  Do you think this will make me more prone to buy your product?  Not at all!

http://line6.com/podhd/  sign up here and you'll be among the first to hear the official word.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-26 06:00:07

You should've bought an amp.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-08-26 06:39:52

Ouch !!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-26 07:12:57

pbear5 wrote:

tochiro wrote:

Still no details about the HD500... Everybody know a few "leaked" features but no official announcement after 2 weeks of this preposterous situation.

Really, Line6, why?  Do you think this will make me more prone to buy your product?  Not at all!

http://line6.com/podhd/  sign up here and you'll be among the first to hear the official word.

To be honest I agree with tochiro a bit; I get tired of this teaser BS that marketing department cook up. It's really irritating when there's zero information, and just a picture.

If someone came out with a competing product, and I knew exactly what the HD500 was going to do, I'd be inclined to wait for the HD500. However if the same situation happened now, where Boss, Vox, etc. came out with something compelling without knowing what exactly is in the pipeline for POD HD, I'd buy something else. It's not worth the aggravation to wait without knowing at least something about it, quite honestly.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by parman on 2010-08-26 13:10:21

Hello Guys and Gals, I own 2 X3Lives and various line 6 Products. I have the 50 Wireless system for my Strat and I love it ,no problems and the Green Delay and Verbzilla ect. I play at my Church and we play Brewster stuff alot. I downloaded Lincs Patches and people at church come up to me alot and tell me how GREAT my tone is. I have never had a problem one time playing live at church, so for $499 to have what I have without extra foot controlers and atomic cabs and a $2000 brain I would not care if I had to buy an X3 every 2 years it would be worth it to me. Also I can hardly wait till the new PODHD500 comes out, I can wait till they are ready, you cant rush that kind of technology. Thank you Line 6 for keeping the pricing down.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-26 13:11:49

parman wrote:

Hello Guys and Gals, I own 2 X3Lives and various line 6 Products. I have the 50 Wireless system for my Strat and I love it ,no problems and the Green Delay and Verbzilla ect. I play at my Church and we play Brewster stuff alot. I downloaded Lincs Patches and people at church come up to me alot and tell me how GREAT my tone is. I have never had a problem one time playing live at church, so for $499 to have what I have without extra foot controlers and atomic cabs and a $2000 brain I would not care if I had to buy an X3 every 2 years it would be worth it to me. Also I can hardly wait till the new PODHD500 comes out, I can wait till they are ready, you cant rush that kind of technology. Thank you Line 6 for keeping the pricing down.

What was "Linc's Patches"?

EDIT

Nevermind, Google is my friend.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-08-26 13:39:55

mikey is probably right...likely you should have bought an amp...

I don't know much...But one thing I do know...The tone chase never ends. Just facing that single undeniable fact alone will save yourself much agravation.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maqaf1 on 2010-08-26 15:19:33

When investing in technology one must decide: do I want to be an early adopter and run the risk of "beta testing" an unfinished product or waiting until late in the cycle when prices drop and the next generation is on the horizon.

Either way, once the new product is released, your unit does not lose any of its existing functionality nor does it sound worse.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-08-27 02:36:47

"mikey is probably right...likely you should have bought an amp..."

Joking aside, that in a sense is my problem.

I am using the X3L in to a 50W Marshall valvestate combo amp and will also be connecting in to the PA soon.  I think that this probably complicates things somewhat more than a pure P.A. and feedback monitor application.

I am getting the hang of it all slowly



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Rewolf48 on 2010-08-27 04:42:04

According to a respected UK retailer (http://www.andertons.co.uk/electric-guitar-fx/pid19281/cid579/line-6-pod-hd500.asp):

Line 6 Pod HD 500

The Line 6 HD500 is part of the latest generation of Line 6's popular POD product line. The POD HD500 will be fully announced to the public at the end of September 2010.

What we know so far about the Line 6 Pod HD500

  • Floorboard POD effects unit with multiple footswitches and expression pedal
  • POD HD500 is the largest unit of the range
  • The most dynamic, expressive, detailed and realistic amp models from Line 6 to date.
  • 16 coveted amp models that emulate the sounds of some of the world's best guitar amplifiers.

They also include:

Our Price £409.00

Out of stock Next delivery due 10/10/2010

So..

1)     We have another month of this waiting...

2)     UK Prices will be similar to US Recommended ($499 = £322, but UK Prices are VAT inclusive which makes £378, and there is probably some UK Import duty as well.

3)     Delivery in the UK is expected to be just after my birthday, so delayed birthday present



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-08-27 07:50:15

I think I know where you are coming from...maybe...

I did not really start doing the direct thing until I had a Flextone III XL...And that amp kept me away from a POD XT for a very long time because of one very specific thing that the Flextone III XL does that the XT can't do...The Flextone speakers get the cab model....The XLRs and the headphone get the mic model...This amp and the Vetta II were the first devices Line 6 made that did this and it worked epsecially well for me with the Flextone III after I changed the speakers and added a sealed 212 cab to have a prayer of rendering a 412 model...

It took me a while to really get that rig dialed in but after I did it was plug and play and a real pleasure to use. I played in a cover band then and it was a pretty wide variety and the Flextone was pretty good at that...

From what I know, the X3L has this dual output capability and I think that is where you start when you do try to make this work...In terms of the amp, I think most any would likely work ok, however my own opinion on the speakers to use differs from a lot of people. I don't think Celestions are a very good choice because they have a lot of color. Also the cabinet must be a physical approximation of the models you want to render...The way I look at it is, if you want to have a chance of rendering a 412 sealed cab, then you really need to have 412s and some of them need to be in sealed or ported cabs...open back will not work for that at stage volume...With the Flextone, I went for a Roadking approach...half open half sealed...That really worked well...That amp was always exteremely consistent with the direct output...and it was the speaker change and addtional cabinet that made it work at real volume levels...

This is not an easy thing to dial in...anyway, thought I would share...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 08:34:27

Popular topic of conversation, none the less~

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19151&start=0



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 08:42:59

How do the current M13 effects compare to the Axe-Fx stuff? That may lead you a more (still presumptory) conclusion.. Price tag is the sticker. Ooo, bad pun..

pulling tidbits of quotes from the Fractal thread:

bmi wrote:
According to Rich Renkin the effects of the M13 will be available into the pod hd.

Quote:
"The  M13 effects are in the HD500. They fit. They would not fit in the X3.  So that should tell you where we are going with this HD500."



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 08:47:04

I'm pysched, how can we not be!

"Line6Renken:
No, we don't want to compete with Fractal. We want to make our new HD modeling sound like the bad a$$ amps that we modeled. We want them to  feel like these amps. We set our benchmark always to take modeling as  far as we can to nail the sound of the modeled amp. Wait till you get a  load of these.  Can't wait to hear what you guys think."



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 08:49:05

other peoples words say alot sometimes.. (good stuff, not me (I don't have an Axe or m13! gassssssssss)

"L6 has sent plenty of messages that they aren't interested in competing  with Fractal Audio anytime soon.  They're in a different sector of the  market, and they're doing well there.  I think they have the brainpower  to compete if they wanted to, but they don't.  People hate on them, but  they do make some cool products sometimes.  The M13 is a product that  people wanted for a long time that didn't really exist (a quality ME box  without the weight of cheesy amp modeling).  I think mine is a great  piece of gear and it fits nicely with my Axe-FX."



Processor power specs and speculation
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 08:53:58

from FractalAudio site admin:

"My guess is the new Pod is using the new  ADSP-21469 DSP.  The fastest version runs at 450 MHz.  It's a decent DSP  for the price.  About half as powerful as the TigerSHARC in my tests.   My guess is they're using the 400 MHz version.

If it has two of  them then it will rival a standard Axe-Fx in power."



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-27 08:58:42

The arrogance from the users over there is hilarious. They're so damn sure that a product NO ONE has heard outside of Line 6 and a product people know very little about WILL NOT sound as good or better than the Axe.

Preconceptions built on arrogance and ignorance is amusing, but sad too. I've heard the Axe. I've played the Axe. Yes it's nice, but not leagues better than a properly tweaked POD X3.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 09:14:33

I have my X3L on craigslist right now, for trade for a tube amp. I guess I am glad I skipped the M13, though I know it out-classsed the X3 upon arrival, in terms of processing power (the effects "won't fit on the X3") and sound quality. So far, no one that I have emailed who are selling various Hot Rod 1x12, 2x12 type amps has even bothered to hit reply and tell me "no thanks"

That should tell me something!

I envision I'll end up just keeping the POD, if I can trade it for a tube amp, sweet! If not, I've still got the aluminum Rondo case, take the X3 out, Gorilla glue to touch up the foam base and some new velcro, and can possibly fit an HD500 into it. And then my nephew in 7th grade can have the X3...

(he's going to be a talented musician, so that's not intended as a slight - the kid already has mad piano chops, and music reading skills!!)

Dang, a mexican made Hot Rod 1x12 that someone is asking $300 for is still worth more than an X3 in a hard case with the L6 ex-1 pedal.???



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Mr_Arkadin on 2010-08-27 09:59:15

You know, talk of what type of DSP are used is so much bollocks. I have a Scope card that uses 66MHz(!) Sharcs. It's ten years old. Yet it has what is still considered to be the best Minimoog emulation out there even though native CPU is supposed to be so much more powerful now. The good sound comes from the well written algorithms. All that greater processing power gives you is the ability to have more of something, not necessarily better. So if anyone tries to say the Axe is better than the HD or whatever because it has faster DSP is talking nonsense and is a complete gobshite. The only thing you can compare is sound.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by mikey1 on 2010-08-27 12:22:37

What????  Moog sounds?? Your 66mhz processor handles Moog sounds does it?  And that tells you processing power is irrelevant in the face of superior programming?

Talk about bollocks......



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Mr_Arkadin on 2010-08-27 12:27:28

mikey1 wrote:

What????  Moog sounds?? Your 66mhz processor handles Moog sounds does it?  And that tells you processing power is irrelevant in the face of superior programming?

Talk about bollocks......

How to miss the point entirely...



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-27 12:35:47

mikey1 wrote:

What????  Moog sounds?? Your 66mhz processor handles Moog sounds does it?  And that tells you processing power is irrelevant in the face of superior programming?

Talk about bollocks......

Sure is easy to be rude on the Internet, isn't it?



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by phil_m on 2010-08-27 12:49:13

Huh?  It looks like used X3L's are still going on Ebay for $325-$370 or so.  Personally, I would be very reluctant to trade anything, especially online.  Actually, it's one of the reasons I still prefer using Ebay instead of Craigslist.  Whenever I've ever put anything on Craigslist I get tons of people emailing me offering me trades, like I'm dealing baseball cards or something.

Just sell the X3L and put the cash from it towards something you want.  It seems a lot easier to me.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 13:42:44

Good point! Craigslist does bring out the crazies.. I have had some really good luck on cl with gear, tickets, etc., but also alot of total nonsense..

Ebay may be the way to go! I'm retiscent to unload it just for the $$, though closer to October, there will be a lot more people with X3L's thinking the same thing as me, with the HD500 coming out.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-27 13:46:33

DSP, processing power, speed, algorithms, it all matters. Especially the mass amount of actual processing speed. You can fake RAM by using swap-disc space on a hard drive, but adding 4G sticks of RAM will do more in the end than unlimited amounts of swap disk space.

The bottom line of comparison, being, the X3 fell short of the M13, because it lacked proper processing power. Add RAM, add faster CPU, add hardware parts that can handle future firmware upgrades. That's why the Axe gear is still at the top of the heap, and in no danger of becoming obsolete after more than 4 years on the market - unlike the X3 which was obsolete after the M13 came out.

As far as comparing dual DSP, rivaling the Axe standard (but no where near the Ultra), etc., we'll see!! Regardless, we're psyched.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by spaceatl on 2010-08-27 14:52:10

Only took a 16 bit 2 mHz CPU 512 Bytes of RAM to land on the moon...But upgrading the models is pretty slow using rope memory...

<a target=new href=http://library.thinkquest.org/18268/Good%20gifs/1968-apollo.gif" class="jive-image" src="http://library.thinkquest.org/18268/Good%20gifs/1968-apollo.gif"/>



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by HeavyChevy on 2010-08-27 20:29:52

C'mon guys.  It's poop.  And you know it.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by wardick on 2010-08-27 21:51:17

But its the next new big poop.  They'll sell a tons.  The real story will unravel in coming months.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-28 09:57:12

awwesome band name, probably not even taken yet!!

"Big Poop Band"



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by Brion_Kean on 2010-08-28 09:59:50

Way O.T., sorry, hit post too soon! It's true though, the conversation has dwindled much since the early days of high X3 drama. Learning from one's mistakes is a good sign, regardless of the speed of progress reacting to that learned-by-failing knowledge! And we all know they didn't *really* land on the moon yet! That was a digitally modelled moon landing algorithm!! hahahaha



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by mikey1 on 2010-08-28 10:30:18

Then, what is your point? Since I've missed it entirely.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by mikey1 on 2010-08-28 10:33:53

I calls em like I see em.   And, I wouldn't say anything here I wouldn't say in person.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by mikey1 on 2010-08-28 10:36:14

It also took human beings and lots of manual overrides. And cigarettes. Lots of cigarettes.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-28 10:38:11

A lot, if not most, of those guys used to be here.

And, I disagree, it's a lot better. Particularly effects. A different league altogether IMO.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by wardick on 2010-08-28 14:49:42

That's funny.  See "The Big Poop Band" on their "I Shat Myself Tour"     You are right it appears there is no band with that name.



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by spaceatl on 2010-08-28 21:04:38

ROTFLMAO!!!



Re: Processor power specs and speculation
by spaceatl on 2010-08-29 07:27:10

and black rim glasses, pocket protectors and slide rules... :-)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-08-29 08:43:05

mikey1 wrote:

A lot, if not most, of those guys used to be here.

And, I disagree, it's a lot better. Particularly effects. A different league altogether IMO.

That doesn't make them any less arrogant.

And the modeling of the amps, of which I was referring to, isn't that much better, and both still pale in comparison to a good tube amp, especially in terms of feel.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by stumpsout on 2010-08-29 12:36:31

I'll be humble and happy enough with the new Variax and the new HD ...can't wait!

Color me Fanboy! I've been called waaaay worse

And I like the style of Rich and the L6 support. I'm staying.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-08-29 19:32:11

You're a convincing looking George!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-08-29 19:36:40

That freakin awesome stumps!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-08-29 20:29:13

Brion_Kean wrote:

How do the current M13 effects compare to the Axe-Fx stuff?

Having had and played both of the units extensively, here's my take.  The M13 effects are simply great quality.  Granted, you only get 4 at a time.  Even the Axe Standard has the M13 beat there.  Delays and mods on the M13 are every bit as good as the Axe-Fx delays and mods.  I'm not a reverb man, but again, as good from what I can tell.  The filters on the Axe, while they have a lot more controllability with their ability to be assigned to various triggers or ocillators, are also on par with the M13.  What lacks in the M13 are the distortion stomps.  The gain stomps on the Axe simply sound better,

Now, sound quality is one thing...usability is another.

How do you create an analog delay on the M13?  You dial up the analog delay effect.  Simple.  On the Axe-Fx?  There is no "analog delay" effect per se.  You have to construct one from a delay block.  It can be done, and the end result will sound very good.  But it's simply a giant pain the arse to do this every single time you need one.  What about a tape echo?  Same thing.  Analog chorus?  You got it at your fingertips on the M13, but in the Axe you have to roll your own.  Wah?  We have half a dozen different types of modeled wahs in the X3 or M13.  Axe?  One wah block, attempt to recreate whatever wah you want.  I'm not saying the Axe is a bad effects unit, just that it is a different paradigm.  You can get stellar results from it if you're willing to put the work in on the effects.  I'd love for the Axe to have a simpler interface for the effects types, but also have the deep editability if you want it.

Amp models?  I know the M13 doesn't have them, but someone in a previous thread said they are on par with a properly tweaked X3.  Now, that might be so, but I will submit that while you're tweaking away your X3 to perfection, the Axe user has a starting tone on their amp models that is already at or above the X3 end point.  THAT is the strength of the Axe-FX.  It is almost no work at all to get a fantastic tone from the amp models.  If only their effects blocks were so easy.

Anyway, I came to this discussion a little late so forgive me if someone has answered this.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by stumpsout on 2010-08-29 21:52:35

mikey, space..thanks eh!

Have to admit, it's getting better..a little better all the time..

Super excited about this new gear...!!

It's Variax 2 for sure, and between this HD thingy and a Vetta..?

nice review on the differences, Karl!

Wonder if they'll slap a VDI input for the Variax in that unit some day..?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Guitarzan on 2010-08-30 19:55:01

I've seen several comments downplaying the distortion effects on the M13. I'm a relatively new user, but I've dialed in some incredibly sounding distortion effects after some tweaking the M13. Waayy better than my Pod XT, seemingly stage quality, but I'm also using it in a 4 cable mode with a 50W tube amp. Might that be the difference? I gotta tell ya, I'm not pining for an Axe now.

Scott



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by toneman2121 on 2010-08-30 20:19:17

i think the amp makes the difference. i have a tube amp also.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-08-30 20:54:37

Guitarzan wrote:

I've seen several comments downplaying the distortion effects on the M13.

Don't take what I said the wrong way.  I only said the gain stomps on the Axe were better than those on the M13.  Not that the ones on the M13 weren't good.  There's just not enough variety of them for my needs.  The Tube Driver is probably the best one of the bunch.  You can get a very nice array of sounds from that stomp alone.

Lately, I've taken to using the OD stomps on the GT-10 with clean (and dirty) tube amps.  Really nice and natural sounds to be had there, and there is a great variety in tones.  From mild overdrive, to roaring Marshall, to modern rock rectifier sounds.  More variety in those stomps than there is in even the Axe-FX's stomps.  But of course the Axe has the amp models too.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-08-30 20:58:45

toneman2121 wrote:

i think the amp makes the difference. i have a tube amp also.

A tube amp with a clean channel that has a gain knob is the perfect setup for running overdrives like in the M13.  Set the clean channel's gain to just where it starts to break up or get warmer.  Putting a stomp in front of that results in a very dynamic overdrive that is sensitive to your picking and guitar volume knob.  I run a Mesa 5:50 Express that way as well as a Marshall TSL100.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-09-01 06:48:58

Can I ask some basics:

- When is the HD due to hit stores?

- Will it still have XLR outs?

- Will it still have the mic in?

- Will it still have an aux in?

- Is there a way to control volume on either the Mic in or aux in through the HD unit?

- Will you still be able to plug 2 guitars in like on the x3 live as it had ability to process 2 guitars with different effects.

Thanks,

Dave

http://writingsongs.com/davebyers

http://christiansongwriting.org

http://dcmusicstore.com

http://writingsongs.com

http://the316band.com



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-01 13:10:37

Not sure why you're asking me these questions, but Line6 hasn't released any info yet.  I guess we'll all have to wait and see.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-01 13:12:13

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

Not sure why you're asking me these questions, but Line6 hasn't released any info yet.  I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

Because apparently the web page that says "enter your e-mail address for updates" is broken for him.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-01 14:27:41

undoubtedly because of your snazzy official looking L6 expert logo



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-01 15:04:11

zap3nc wrote:

undoubtedly because of your snazzy official looking L6 expert logo

Yep, that'd do it!   I forget...it's like wearing a name tag, having people call you by name, and then wondering how they know you.   I'm not sure exactly what I've done to become such an expert, but I'd guess it doesn't make me an expert at everything.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-01 15:56:43

This was posted on TheGearPage forum and then a forum member here posted it on the thread named Does anyone else have the scoop on the PodHD500  in the POD X3 forum.

The Pod HD 300 and 400 were posted on JRRShop (and then the page was pulled).  A generic description  so far (same for both the 300 and 400) and no mention of the 500 yet.   Here's the text:

Line 6 POD HD400
[podhd400]
$399.00USD

Years  of groundbreaking research have led us to create an entirely new set of  modeling tools. Using the resulting HD amp modeling technology to  recreate 16 vintage and modern amps from the ground up has led us to POD  HD.
Proprietary research tools, unparalleled  technical expertise and painstaking attention to detail has allowed  Line 6 to deliver the most authentic tone and realistic feel ever  available in any amp modeling product.
Main Features:
•     A covetable collection of 16 amps delivered with unmatched HD realism
•     An inspiring compilation of 100 effects including the complete set from the critically acclaimed DL4, MM4, FM4 and DM4.
•     Amazing new effects including looping, pitch shifting and harmonizing for additional creative expression.
•      Comprehensive I/O including analog, digital, balanced, unbalanced,   Variax and USB means you’re always ready to perform in any environment.
•      Flexible signal chain scales within the line from easy pre/post routing  to allowing any effect to be placed in any slot in any order.
•     Compatibility with new Line 6 adaptive amps enables an unprecedented level of integration, communication and control.
•     All metal construction including heavy duty metal footswitches and expression pedal to withstand on-stage abuse.

http://www.jrrshop.com/catalog/line-hd400-p-10120.html

There's nothing there now but these are the guys who were advertising an end of September release date. So besides the German website that originally put the first add up on a German forum  http://www.line6forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=10527   this is all we know based on vendors web pages apperently jumping the gun by trying to advertise future gear.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sarj82 on 2010-09-01 22:23:42

Hmmmm.... interestiiing

podfarm.jpg



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-09-02 04:25:54

Was hoping someone from L6 might weigh in and toss us a bone on this. :-)

I entered my e-mail like others but as this is a forum on the L6 site was hoping a mod might jump in at some point. Here's hoping. Not asking for in depth top secret info on it just a few basics.

Dave

http://writingsongs.com/davebyers

http://christiansongwriting.org

http://dcmusicstore.com

http://writingsongs.com

http://the316band.com



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-02 06:11:44

idbedave wrote:

Was hoping someone from L6 might weigh in and toss us a bone on this. :-)

I entered my e-mail like others but as this is a forum on the L6 site was hoping a mod might jump in at some point.

If you read back in this thread (or it could have been one in the POD forum), Line6Renken jumped in and offered a few explanations.  He was the product manager for the M13 and others.  But don't expect any more than that.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-02 06:12:34

It's not available because POD Farm 2 is out.

sarj82 wrote:

Hmmmm.... interestiiing

podfarm.jpg



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sarj82 on 2010-09-02 10:11:33

Oh yeah?

BAM!

Clipboard-1.jpg



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-02 10:31:03

Dude, that's because you buy POD Farm 2 directly from Line6.  Although you can buy a new POD Studio product that includes the free POD Farm upgrade.  POD Farm 2 is still around.  Relax.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-POD-Studio-UX2-with-POD-Farm?sku=250004

(note where it says you get POD Farm 2 as a free upgrade)

sarj82 wrote:

Oh yeah?

BAM!

Clipboard-1.jpg



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-09-02 10:38:03

Well... if there's no info on the hd series than our conversation is quite limited eh? lol!

Here's hoping it does kick things up a good bit.

Dave



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-02 10:43:36

while we're cultivating conspiracy theories around sweetwaters stock levels...

what about the lack of ANY variax acoustics....

gotta a lil' sumpin in store for us Mr. Renken

let me be the first to throw myself on my own sword in the name of beta testing

it's a sacrifice i make for you guys... because you all rock.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sarj82 on 2010-09-02 11:47:45

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

Dude, that's because you buy POD Farm 2 directly from Line6.  Although you can buy a new POD Studio product that includes the free POD Farm upgrade.  POD Farm 2 is still around.  Relax.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-POD-Studio-UX2-with-POD-Farm?sku=250004

(note where it says you get POD Farm 2 as a free upgrade)

True, the hardware is still around but the software for iLok is not being sold anymore. Musician's Friend has leftover original POD Farm software boxes left and they're trying to get rid of them, they don't have POD Farm 2 anymore. As for Sweetwater, I saw POD Farm 2 (standard AND platinum)  for sale a month ago... they NEVER say an item is unavailable if it's out of stock, it's still on display with a little "It's Arriving Soon!" message where it would say "In Stock". Search for discontinued items on Sweetwater and it will give you the "not available" message.

It's not unlikely for a soon-to-be-discontinued item to still be up for sale at the manufacturer's website when it is not available at online retailers. Remember GearBox? They were still selling it when POD Farm was released.

What I'm trying to say is... there is a big possibility that a new software upgrade (POD Farm HD) might be in the pipeline. They would not need to change nor re-brand the current "POD Studio" line of audio interfaces because they are not DSP based, the software is native.

Peace



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-02 12:33:37

i can tell you this... when they got rid of all the gearbox stuff... it was deal of the century time...

because L6 gave us all the pod farm upgrades for free...

so if you buy your theory... the time to buy is now



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Gasp100 on 2010-09-02 14:03:54

"What I'm trying to say is... there is a big possibility that a new software upgrade (POD Farm HD) might be in the pipeline. They would not need to change nor re-brand the current "POD Studio" line of audio interfaces because they are not DSP based, the software is native."

-- What is considered "POD Studio devices" =  the toneports?

How can you be so sure that "everything" required to run the amp/cab/FX sims is software based and doesn't require additional processing power from the tone port device itself? I really would LOVE to hear that they will be releasing POD Farm HD and it's compatible with the tone port devices (I have the UX8) but I have a lingering suspicion that were is required additionl processing power in the unit itself that makes it all "work" and maybe it's not enough to get the new HD level stuff to work correctly; I could be wrong though



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by cybersnyder on 2010-09-03 07:15:17

I'm glad to see that they're focusing on 16 amps instead of 100.  But at the same time that likely means that bass support is gone.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-03 08:02:01

The reason they only put 16 amps, I believe, is the same reason the Eleven Rack only put 11. They know if they only put 4 amps that the community will cry for 8 in a firmware update. If they put 8 then users will cry for 16. If they put 50 they cry for 100. I guarantee you there are more than 16 amps already in existence or plans for them are in the planning stages. People have gone update happy. It's ok to want more but it's not ok to be given that more right from the start and keep asking for more than that afterward. Line6 is making the right move starting with 16 amps especially if they paid really close attention to detail by only starting with 16. Just my opinion, folks. Haven't been here since I sold my XT Live a long time ago that I had for a very short time and will purchase this new unit if it sounds better than that RP1000 that I owned and RP500 and GSP1101 that I currently own. I'm anticipating that this new unit will probably be better.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-03 08:33:20

sarj82 wrote:

True, the hardware is still around but the software for iLok is not being sold anymore

http://line6.com/store/podfarm/ilok

Still being sold.  Think about this: you don't need physical packaging to sell this software.  Bypass the middle man, sell downloadable software, pure profit.  There's nothing for any other retailers to stock.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by cybersnyder on 2010-09-03 09:08:37

I'm really hoping for an iTunes style store where you can buy additional effects/amps.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-03 12:09:49

cybersnyder wrote:

I'm really hoping for an iTunes style store where you can buy additional effects/amps.

That'd be pretty cool.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Triple43 on 2010-09-03 14:41:56

Polaris20 wrote:

cybersnyder wrote:

I'm really hoping for an iTunes style store where you can buy additional effects/amps.

That'd be pretty cool.

I second that!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-04 11:20:52

I have to think it would be completely not viable financially, but I would love if they could do a custom model at the request of a customer. For example, I love my Mesa DC-5, however I'd like it in a floorboard, along with a Vox AC30 model, Bassman, JCM800, Orange, etc. etc. It'd be cool if I could pay x amount of dollars and have it modeled.

Like I said though, I highly doubt the modeling process is simple and quick enough for it to be economically viable to the customer or Line 6. It would be damn neat though.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Triple43 on 2010-09-04 14:21:01

Polaris20 wrote:

I have to think it would be completely not viable financially, but I would love if they could do a custom model at the request of a customer. For example, I love my Mesa DC-5, however I'd like it in a floorboard, along with a Vox AC30 model, Bassman, JCM800, Orange, etc. etc. It'd be cool if I could pay x amount of dollars and have it modeled.

Like I said though, I highly doubt the modeling process is simple and quick enough for it to be economically viable to the customer or Line 6. It would be damn neat though.

Damn neat, but damn expensive... lol, see what you mean though...

Leads me to wonder what the 16 models are?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-04 19:06:30

nuser101 wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

nuser101 wrote:

Hey Mikey, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

According to L6 Renken, I was wrong, so you needn't express surprise. I was off base, and Renken made the tag - I'm out.

Anyway, I don't view your post as cynical at all. I've been through enough of the modelling cycles to know that none of them are perfect, but most of them are good enough for live direct use in a bar, unless you just have to have that feel behind you on stage. Bars just aren't good critical listening environments, so anything reasonable will cut it. Lots of gear from different manufacturers to choose from, and calling one the best is so much a matter of opinion that it's not worth being an early adopter of any of them, IMO.

I suppose you could cite the Axe-FX as a possible contender for "best of show". There are lots of very positive reviews from great players who haven't signed endorsement deals. It's not clear whether any of them use the amp models in live performance though. Petrucci bought one just for FX in his "B rig" http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68428 .

Are you saying that the pro players that use our gear have signed an endorsement deal? They haven't. They play our stuff because they love it as well. X3's are not just in bars.

I said nothing about the X3 or L6 in that post, except that my speculation was wrong.

Pro players have used XT's for recording, without deals, even before the X3 days. I can think of Angus Clark and Jeff Beck as immediate examples. I believe Steve Howe may have used an XT in concert a few times. Guitar World is full of examples of that.

I did say that, among the existing crop of modellers, what you use in bars doesn't matter much, and I still think that.  I believe that, in a recording venue, L6 holds a slight upper hand on $500 modelers, but I believe there are other modelers out there that are equally suited to live usage. I still believe that, too.

Oh, gotcha. Sorry for misunderstanding.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-04 19:18:20

tochiro wrote:

Still no details about the HD500... Everybody know a few "leaked" features but no official announcement after 2 weeks of this preposterous situation.

Really, Line6, why?  Do you think this will make me more prone to buy your product?  Not at all!

I don't know how else to make you understand. Is there anything I can do to make you understand that these are not planned leaks and we are super bummed that they were leaked? Right now, the ad doesn't make much sense standing alone because there are big plans coming that coincide with the launch of the product, we are preparing these now and they will still be super fun, but it would have been a lot more fun to just come out of the gate and BAM!!! BOOM!!! So, as someone said, sign up at that link. We weren't going to go live with that page until the launch but with the ad snafu we went live so you guys could at least start signing up for the fun.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-04 19:21:26

Polaris20 wrote:

pbear5 wrote:

tochiro wrote:

Still no details about the HD500... Everybody know a few "leaked" features but no official announcement after 2 weeks of this preposterous situation.

Really, Line6, why?  Do you think this will make me more prone to buy your product?  Not at all!

http://line6.com/podhd/  sign up here and you'll be among the first to hear the official word.

To be honest I agree with tochiro a bit; I get tired of this teaser BS that marketing department cook up. It's really irritating when there's zero information, and just a picture.

If someone came out with a competing product, and I knew exactly what the HD500 was going to do, I'd be inclined to wait for the HD500. However if the same situation happened now, where Boss, Vox, etc. came out with something compelling without knowing what exactly is in the pipeline for POD HD, I'd buy something else. It's not worth the aggravation to wait without knowing at least something about it, quite honestly.

This is not teaser BS, these are truly missteps. You are not supposed to have ANY information at all at this point in time. We did not plan this. As I said before, if this were not true, I would be in my lawyer's office first thing on Tues Morn. Ok? Just sit tight and accept our apologies for having to wait.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-04 19:25:27

I'll take your word for it, because you seem to be a straight shooter. Please understand the cynicism on some folks' part though, because often other companies use such a strategy to attempt to build interest. So when something really is an accidental leak, the common cynic in us is first to think "yeah, right, sure it was an accidental leak".

Regardless I'm in no hurry for such a piece, and will be waiting. I actually have one piece of gear earmarked ahead of it anyway (Starr Labs MIDI controller) so the POD HD would be roughly a Christmas time present to myself anyhow. But I'm definitely interested, as I'm getting some sweet tones out of POD Farm, and would love to take higher quality tones to the floor at jams.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-04 19:45:48

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

What lacks in the M13 are the distortion stomps.  The gain stomps on the Axe simply sound better,

Good stuff and a good overview. I do have to say that I have a lot of buddies from casual weekend guys to guys playing in front of 20,000 who have both units and would disagree with the above statement.

Who's right? Them or you. Well, neither. It is about preference and what you are looking for. One of my close friends is a tone snob, but not an ignorant tone snob, he knows tone and has pride in having the "right" gear. Well he was one of the first guys to beta the M13 and he sent me his Ebay list every day. He used Line 6 Drive and his Love Eternity pedal went right on Ebay. It is all good.

I could post my own experience with my own comparisions but I just won't. They don't matter. We work hard here to get as close to the original amp as possible and march to our own drum with respect to how we get there. So I could say I think this or that, but it is up to each guy to get out and tweak and see if he is inspired by a particular piece of gear.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-04 19:48:28

So Rich, can you guys clone my Mesa DC-5 for $50 a throw it in the new HD?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-04 19:51:24

idbedave wrote:

Was hoping someone from L6 might weigh in and toss us a bone on this. :-)

I entered my e-mail like others but as this is a forum on the L6 site was hoping a mod might jump in at some point. Here's hoping. Not asking for in depth top secret info on it just a few basics.

Dave

Can't give you any info yet. Hang tough. Sorry for the excitement the leak has created.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-04 19:58:22

Polaris20 wrote:

I'll take your word for it, because you seem to be a straight shooter. Please understand the cynicism on some folks' part though, because often other companies use such a strategy to attempt to build interest. So when something really is an accidental leak, the common cynic in us is first to think "yeah, right, sure it was an accidental leak".

Regardless I'm in no hurry for such a piece, and will be waiting. I actually have one piece of gear earmarked ahead of it anyway (Starr Labs MIDI controller) so the POD HD would be roughly a Christmas time present to myself anyhow. But I'm definitely interested, as I'm getting some sweet tones out of POD Farm, and would love to take higher quality tones to the floor at jams.

Oh for sure I do totally understand. We did do the on purpose leak when we did Spider Valve, that was fun. But, honestly, this is not fun. It is generating buzz none the less though.

Thank you for you kind words by the way. Also, guys, please just call me Rich. My dad is Mr. Renken.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-04 20:02:51

The teaser for the SV was probably a different story, since it was such an unexpected and different idea for Line 6. The HD series, while surely to be a great improvement and good stuff, probably isn't the shocker that the SV was. Or maybe it will be, WTF do I know? LOL

What would be cool is if the HD was accompanied by a full range Bogner designed tube amp with perhaps a 2x12 plus tweeter. No internal sounds, basically a Bogner take on the Atomic FR. Now THAT would kick ass.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-04 23:54:20

Line6Renken wrote:

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

What lacks in the M13 are the distortion stomps.  The gain stomps on the Axe simply sound better,

Good stuff and a good overview. I do have to say that I have a lot of buddies from casual weekend guys to guys playing in front of 20,000 who have both units and would disagree with the above statement.

Rich,

As I said in response to Guitarzan:

Don't take what I said the wrong way.  I only said the gain stomps on 
the Axe were better than those on the M13.  Not that the ones on the M13
weren't good.  There's just not enough variety of them for my needs.  The Tube Driver
is probably the best one of the bunch.  You can get a very nice array of
sounds from that stomp alone.


Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by RichRenken on 2010-09-05 01:43:46

Nice.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by rbloom on 2010-09-05 19:01:45

Hi Folks--

I'm interested in your new HD series offering as well.  Seems to me the whole thing is pretty straightforward--Line6's cat got out of the bag; Line6 says it was an accident, I take them at their word.  Now given the inadvertent release, it seems the least Line6 can do is tell their loyal and eager customers what the actual release date is out of simple courtesy.  Not to do that is disrespectful, and calls the veracity of their claim of unfortunate error into question.

Simple enough?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by The_Edge on 2010-09-06 01:42:14

I find it hilarious how some people think just because they post on a forum and own a Line 6 product that entitles them to know information about a product that doesn't even have a release date yet. How many different ways can the guy representing the company say he's not allowed to release details about it will it take for people to accept what he says.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-06 02:04:13

You have to be fair to Rich and the guys at Line6.  I work for a company that launches (industrial electronic) products - normally to coincide with large fairs, but the run up to these launches is bedlam.  Things can change even up to the last minute - especially where software content is concerned.

Imagine for example that you have designed and are testing 30 amp models, but plan to included 16 initially, then the remaining as an update.  Perhaps at this stage the decision hasn't been made which to include, as different people have different views.  Perhaps one of the planned models just doesn't sound right, so do you put back the launch a couple weeks, or leave it out until the update?  I don't know how Line6 work, but in my world this kind of stuff happens all the time.

Announcing exact dates and exact specifications before you are ready is risky and causes more bad feeling than politely asking people to trust you and wait.  Let's trust Rich, safe in the knowledge that this is going to be worth the wait ... ... I just hope that someone will want to pay enough for my X3L to allow me to update



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-06 08:51:40

Two more ways. The last one using cartoon curse words.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by isan on 2010-09-06 11:05:28

Rich, the one real thing i am concerned about is the lower models in the HD series (300/400) not getting all the things.... kinda like how the pod studio GX can only use 75%, or so, of the models/effects in pod farm..



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maqaf1 on 2010-09-06 15:58:56

isan wrote:

Rich, the one real thing i am concerned about is the lower models in the HD series (300/400) not getting all the things.... kinda like how the pod studio GX can only use 75%, or so, of the models/effects in pod farm..

I'm not sure I understand this post.

One would assume the different product tiers would offer progressively more options as the model number and price increases.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Triple43 on 2010-09-06 16:29:59

isan wrote:

Rich, the one real thing i am concerned about is the lower models in the HD series (300/400) not getting all the things.... kinda like how the pod studio GX can only use 75%, or so, of the models/effects in pod farm..

Yeah but then again it's just suiting different features for different people, for example: some people may not want/need bass amp modelling (per se, don't know if the HD supports this, but just relating to the X3) so the HD300 for instance, won't have it - or vocal fx...

I don't think line6 would drop out a few of the 16 amp models for the 300/400 I think it'd just be additional features like I mentioned above that'd be dropped. Just a guess, not a rumour or anything like that (just in case someone's aiming to shoot me down right about now LOL )



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by luquadox on 2010-09-07 08:09:18

3 MONTHS TESTING

2 YEARS OF LOST TIME WITH LINE6

AT LAST THE SEARCH IS OVER.

=PEAVEY VYPYR=

100% TRUE TRANSTUBE ANALOG DISTORTION

24 AMPS

11 RACK EFFECTS

11 STOMPBOXES

5 EFFECTS AT ONCE

I HAVE THE VYPYR 100 AND I HAVE TO SAY LINE6.... IS GOOD IN PC PROGRAMMING MONKEYS SOFTWARES UPGRADES... ETC... BUT HAS =NO GOOD TONE=... PEAVEY IS TRYING TO PROGRAMM LIBRARIAN  AND ETC ITS NOT GOOD YET WITH UPGRADES ETC. BUT THE TONE IS A MONSTER   =K=I=L=L=E=R= MAN.

AND LINE6 JUST BECAUSE YOU KEEP US W8TING WITH THE HD STORY I WILL TELL ALL MY FRIENDS NOT TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS. GOODBYE



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-07 08:15:48

hahahahhaha... ok dude... your one post contribution will be sorely missed... we welcome you back whenever...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-07 08:30:15

luquadox wrote:

3 MONTHS TESTING

2 YEARS OF LOST TIME WITH LINE6

AT LAST THE SEARCH IS OVER.

=PEAVEY VYPYR=

100% TRUE TRANSTUBE ANALOG DISTORTION

24 AMPS

11 RACK EFFECTS

11 STOMPBOXES

5 EFFECTS AT ONCE

I HAVE THE VYPYR 100 AND I HAVE TO SAY LINE6.... IS GOOD IN PC PROGRAMMING MONKEYS SOFTWARES UPGRADES... ETC... BUT HAS =NO GOOD TONE=... PEAVEY IS TRYING TO PROGRAMM LIBRARIAN  AND ETC ITS NOT GOOD YET WITH UPGRADES ETC. BUT THE TONE IS A MONSTER   =K=I=L=L=E=R= MAN.

AND LINE6 JUST BECAUSE YOU KEEP US W8TING WITH THE HD STORY I WILL TELL ALL MY FRIENDS NOT TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS. GOODBYE

luquadox, you might want to go to Newegg.com; I think your caps lock key is broken, and you should purchase a new keyboard.

As for the Peavey Vypyr; it's okay, but not the revolution people were hoping for. The one I played sounded very farty at high volumes, and it had this weird midrange spike thing going on that I couldn't dial out.

The SV MkII I spent a couple hours with was more dynamic and warm; I think they did a great job, and it's cool to see you can now edit the patches from the Floorboard. It's a really versatile kit, while still having that tube dynamic.

If L6 dumps the new HD models into a SV format, that will be all forms of win.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by luquadox on 2010-09-07 09:10:31

Ok listen to me I DONT CARE if line6 is warm as hell ok right now. I had 3 line6 amps spide MKII head spider iv and vetta combo and i sold them. Soon I will get the 120 tube head vypyr which leaves MKII's  1 light year behind. So if the vypyr has a midrange shit can i ask you something? WHY  SO MANY YEARS LINE6's could NOT CUT throught the mix in a band??? THEIR CRAPPY MIDS LOWMIDS ok???? so get your MKII I dont care really. Bye bye line6 orevoir i dont care if i written this wrong. BYE2ALL. vypyr rulez!!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-07 09:15:58

luquadox wrote:

Ok listen to me I DONT CARE if line6 is warm as hell ok right now. I had 3 line6 amps spide MKII head spider iv and vetta combo and i sold them. Soon I will get the 120 tube head vypyr which leaves MKII's  1 light year behind. So if the vypyr has a midrange **** can i ask you something? WHY  SO MANY YEARS LINE6's could NOT CUT throught the mix in a band??? THEIR CRAPPY MIDS LOWMIDS ok???? so get your MKII I dont care really. Bye bye line6 orevoir i dont care if i written this wrong. BYE2ALL.

Line 6 products not cutting is an urban legend propagated by people that don't know how to dial them properly in a band setting. And I'm not buying a SV-MkII, I already have a Boogie that cremates any current modeling amp, Peavey included.

I think you should relax and give a product a chance. Judging something on preconceived notions is immature and ignorant.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-07 09:27:05

Polaris20 wrote:

luquadox wrote:

Ok listen to me I DONT CARE if line6 is warm as hell ok right now. I had 3 line6 amps spide MKII head spider iv and vetta combo and i sold them. Soon I will get the 120 tube head vypyr which leaves MKII's  1 light year behind. So if the vypyr has a midrange **** can i ask you something? WHY  SO MANY YEARS LINE6's could NOT CUT throught the mix in a band??? THEIR CRAPPY MIDS LOWMIDS ok???? so get your MKII I dont care really. Bye bye line6 orevoir i dont care if i written this wrong. BYE2ALL.

Line 6 products not cutting is an urban legend propagated by people that don't know how to dial them properly in a band setting.


+1000.  Polaris hit it on the head.  If this dude somehow thinks a Vypyr is better than a Vetta, then he has no clue how to dial in anything.  The "not cutting" thing is his own fault.

But hey, if he's getting the results he wants, then that's cool.  He just shouldn't feel like he has to come here and rant in 72 pt font about his lack of experience.

I bet I could dial that Vypyr in to sound like crap too.  And with a lot less effort than it would take to make a Line6 amp sound bad.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-07 10:13:41

Actually, cutting through the mix has never been a problem I've had with any Line 6 gear.  I think some guitarists have problems cutting through simply because they are used to hearing their tone not in the context sof a band.  I also seriously wonder sometimes if hearing loss isn't more common than we realize - no joking.  The high end is the first thing to go, and the ice pick tones coming out of some guitarist's amp makes me wonder if they aren't experiencing hearing loss and don't realize it.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by StudioTM on 2010-09-07 10:36:03

Looks like you can buy Pod HD500 - HD400 - HD300 on this french page (se detailed pics attached below in this post)

http://www.distribution-music.fr/line-6-m-54.html?page=4&sort=2a

Google translation gave me this info on the HD 500

POD ® HD500 is a huge step forward in the field of modeling amplifiers. This is the only multi-effects pedal to offer 16 amp models Line 6 high-definition (HD), over 100 vintage and modern effects processors from the range M, and input / output analog and digital super complete.
The amp models are HD the new standard for modeling. They offer a gaming sensation, reaction, and interaction never reached. The realism is breathtaking and offers a quality gaming hitherto unparalleled
HD 16 amp models based on guitar sounds the most coveted in the world: California clean sounds, sounds from classic crunch, mesmerizing heat amps Custom saturation unbridled modern amps, and more ...
Over 100 effects: delay, modulation, distortion, compressors, equalizers, filters and reverbs. Up to 8 effects at the same time, tap tempo
512 user editable presets
Recorder / Player loops with 48 seconds footswitches for specific functions of cancellation, reading single configuration Pre / Post recording / overdub, stop / playback, playback speed and mid-Reverse
Built-in tuner with mute guitar signal
Outputs 6.35mm Jack and XLR (mono / stereo) MIDI In, Out / Thru, S / PDIF, USB LINK L6; effects loop (mono / stereo) Aux in Jack 6.35 mm; XLR microphone input with level control, headphone jack with 6.35 mm connector for Variax ® VDI, expression pedal input for external
Free software for editing and managing sound libraries

HD400

POD ® HD400 is a huge step forward in the field of modeling amplifiers. This is the only multi-effects pedal to offer 16 amp models Line 6 high-definition (HD) over 90 modern and vintage effects from the range of processors M and I / O analog and digital super complete.
The amp models are HD the new standard for modeling. They offer a gaming sensation, reaction, and interaction never reached. The realism is breathtaking and offers a quality gaming hitherto unparalleled
HD 16 amp models based on guitar sounds the most coveted in the world: California clean sounds, sounds from classic crunch, mesmerizing heat amps Custom saturation unbridled modern amps, 128 user presets, 256 factory presets ...
Over 90 effects: delay, modulation, distortion, compressors, equalizers, filters and reverbs. Up to 4 effects at the same time, tap tempo
Recorder / Player loops with 24 seconds footswitches for specific functions of single reading configuration Pre / Post recording / overdub and stop / play
Built-in tuner with mute guitar signal
Outputs 6.35mm Jack and XLR (mono / stereo) USB MIDI, effects loop (mono / stereo) input for expression pedal external connector L6 LINK for full compatibility with the tube amps Line 6 range DT50 ™ and much more ...
Free software for editing and managing sound libraries

HD300

POD ® HD300 is a huge step forward in the field of modeling amplifiers. This is the only multi-effects pedal to offer 16 amp models Line 6 high-definition (HD) over 80 modern and vintage effects from the range of processors M and I / O analog and digital full.
The amp models are HD the new standard for modeling. They offer a gaming sensation, reaction, and interaction never reached. The realism is breathtaking and offers a quality of play so far unmatched.
HD 16 amp models based on guitar sounds the most coveted in the world: California clean sounds, sounds from classic crunch, mesmerizing heat amps Custom saturation unbridled modern amps, 128 user presets, 256 factory presets ...
Over 80 effects: delay, modulation, distortion, compressors, equalizers, filters and reverbs. Up to 4 effects at the same time, tap tempo
Recorder / Player loops with 24 seconds footswitches for specific functions of single reading configuration Pre / Post recording / overdub and stop / play
Built-in tuner with mute guitar signal
Outputs 6.35mm Jack and XLR (mono / stereo) MIDI USB connector L6 LINK for full compatibility with tube amps from Line 6 line DT50 ™; MP3/CD input and much more ...
Free software for editing and managing sound libraries


Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-07 11:07:28

phil_m wrote:

I also seriously wonder sometimes if hearing loss isn't more common than we realize - no joking.  The high end is the first thing to go, and the ice pick tones coming out of some guitarist's amp makes me wonder if they aren't experiencing hearing loss and don't realize it.

Perhaps.  Everyone's high end hearing decreases with age.  I did a test on mine and found I can't hear much at or above 17kHz.  But that's about in line with people my age regardless of being in a band, so I'm not worried about it, and also because it's outside the normal guitar frequency range anyway.  Guitarists tend to experience upper midrange hearing loss.  Or at least the ones dialing their amps in properly do.

I tend to think you're more on target with the whole bedroom tone phenomenon.  People used to playing with themselves often don't know how to do it properly with others.  Innuendo intended.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by parman on 2010-09-07 11:43:58

Hi guys, I love reading these posts. I dont respond much but sometimes I just like to throw my 2 cents in. Ive said it before I play worship rock music in my church band, I go direct with my X3 live, I use my Reverse Proto Custom Shop Strat w/area 58, 60 and 67 in the middle. I have downloaded Lincoln Brewsters Patches and I use a few of my favorite pedals in front and after my POD. I get plenty of Drive and sustane on my leads and it cuts thru the mix as much or less as I want it to.When Im playing leads or chords it feels just like a Amp, and I also have a Fender Super Sonic 60, but to tell you the truth I would rather go direct to our PA and I use E5 ear buds with our Aviom system, it doesnt get any better IMO. Im 52 and have been playing since aI was 13. I love my X3 and wont change for anything (except maybe someday when they get to old I will try the new Line 6 HD500. People always come up to me after worship and tell me how good my rig sounds. The main thing with PODs are your guitars PUPs and your Patches,if you dont have those correct then sure your tone will suck. Its all experience. Thats all.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-09-07 13:36:46

Hey some info finally. 10/15 ship date? Hopefully that is only for Europe, not USA. :-)

I don't see any wording about bass or the ability to use a 2nd guitar like on the x3 live though.

Dave



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-07 13:46:48

luquadox wrote:

Vypyr hit Line6 in the head. hhHhhahahahaha So much fun with vypyr... Karl_Houseknecht i dont know who are you,you dont know me. So,stop making speculations. I dont avertise vypyr,you avertise line6. Stop crying... dont be sad that vypyr is the leading modeling amp right now.... go to mac donalds have a happy meal.

I'm fairly certain Karl has not spent any money advertising Line 6 products, as he's just a forum member here. He does, however, discuss Line 6 products on a Line 6 sponsored and moderated forum. Imagine that!

Like we've said before; Line 6 not cutting in a live setting is due entirely to the person's inexperience and lack of knowledge in regards to properly dialing the amp/modeling device in.

And the Vypyr is leading nothing. That honor currently belongs to the Axe-FX.

Now go troll the Peavey forums.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-07 13:55:02

luquadox wrote:

Vypyr hit Line6 in the head. hhHhhahahahaha So much fun with vypyr... Karl_Houseknecht i dont know who are you,you dont know me. So,stop making speculations. I dont avertise vypyr,you avertise line6. Stop crying... dont be sad that vypyr is the leading modeling amp right now.... go to mac donalds have a happy meal.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls...however...

I also happen to talk about a lot of non-Line6 gear on this forum.  Probably more than the hosts would like.  If you've been around for any amount of time, you'll see me doing a lot of "advertisement" for Fractal, Marshall, Mesa, Blackstar, and Boss.  Probably more so than I do for Line6.  My current gigging rig contains one piece of sort-of Line6 gear: a wireless.

Never accused you of advertising anything.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-07 14:38:32

Peavey makes a lot of fine products. However, the Vypyr aint one of them. There's a 20 page thread over at Harmony Central on the problems. I gave it a go. The cleans were pretty good. But the gain tones did that digital fizz thang as the note dies out. The compression was every bit as bad as Line 6. And, with guys like you promoting it, I'm guessing the target market is the illiterate intelligentsia.

As far as Vypyr "leading the modeling amp" as you so wittily suggest, you're simply wrong. Compared to Line 6, you could shove the Vypyrs sales figures up a gnats arse and it would roll around like a peanut in a boxcar. The Vypyr has wet dreams about being Line 6. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

It's not the best. Fractal is. It's not the first. Line 6 is. Quite frankly, you're out-gunned. You don't posses the experience or verbal dexterity to make an impact here. In fact, if you're the customer the Vypyr attracts, it's doomed. Doomed I say!

And thrice I say, doooooooooooomed!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by StudioTM on 2010-09-07 15:18:08

So.... let's go back to the topic.

Take a look at the HD 500 LCD screen. Interesting signal chain with dual amps & cabs and seriell FX chain.

50% in the bottom of the screen, is that CPU usage?

Br

Thor



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-07 15:29:06

Good thing you snagged some images and info. . . DM pulled the products from the Line6 products line up from the link you gave us.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by StudioTM on 2010-09-07 15:32:44

I notised, and it happened really fast ;-)

Thor



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-07 15:37:06

I bookmarked the HD 300 page and was going to snag a close up photo of it to compare to the others you posted but waited too long, now it says:

Produit non trouvé !



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pbear5 on 2010-09-07 15:46:10

i really like the fact that the Vyper amps look like they have fangs or bat wings but the lack of tribal tattoos leaves me wondering if they are serious about winning over the true metal player.

douche-bag font just for fun.  enjoy!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by toneman2121 on 2010-09-07 17:21:04

sounds like operator error to me



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-08 00:59:01

luquadox wrote:

Ok listen to me I DONT CARE if line6 is warm as hell ok right now. I had 3 line6 amps spide MKII head spider iv and vetta combo and i sold them. Soon I will get the 120 tube head vypyr which leaves MKII's  1 light year behind. So if the vypyr has a midrange **** can i ask you something? WHY  SO MANY YEARS LINE6's could NOT CUT throught the mix in a band??? THEIR CRAPPY MIDS LOWMIDS ok???? so get your MKII I dont care really. Bye bye line6 orevoir i dont care if i written this wrong. BYE2ALL. vypyr rulez!!!

I love it when idiots post - it feeds my superiority complex

If you "DON'T CARE", then why bother posting in the first place?

You've owned three Line6 amps, but think they are useless in a gigging environment?  Did you not try the amps before you bought - any basic guitarist can hear in a shop if an amp has rubbish "MIDS MID LOWS"?  Did you not think after the first that you'd maybe better carefully trial the second and third? No-one to blame but yourself - DOH!

ANY amp will cut through in a band situation as long as you have the mix correct and sufficient volume compared to the rest of the band.  Most people tweak up a tone that sounds awesome at low volumes and more importantly by itself.  As soon as you add all the other band you end up with a massive clash of frequencies and collossal MUSH ensues.  Normally too much low end in the guitar, so it overlaps with the bass too much in my experience.

Ah, I feel much better now ... ...

P.S. I'm sure the VYPYR is very good - never heard it.



hahahaha
by mikey1 on 2010-09-08 12:28:03

LOL



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-08 12:31:51

Aw, c'mon!  I used thrice in a post!



Hearing loss / hearing aid..
by Brion_Kean on 2010-09-08 23:05:27

I actually have major high frequency hearing loss, and overall hearing loss in my right ear, due to a chidhood run in with ear infection and anti-biotics.

While no means perfect, I have been *really* happy with my hearing aid. You can get them to program custom EQ curves and volume settings, and store multiple presets in the headset, accessible with no extra remote..

If you get the sweet version, or a pair they can do Blurtooth / wireless, and stereo. (my left ear is 99.99% ok!, right ear about 70 to 80% hearing lost...)\

http://www.verite-us.com/

http://www.bernafon.com/Consumers.aspx

you can get your hearing checked and demo these free in store at alot of Costco..



Re: hahahaha
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-09 04:18:40

Noticed the Line6 website was down a little while the other day, no doubt updating  for a big announcement. Must be getting pretty close now

DT50 amp, that sounds interesting. Pretty sure I'll jump in with both feet for at least the HD300. I still have my Atomic 112-18, hope it plays well with it

Gonna be a fun fall season I think

Oh yeah, lotsa fun  over at"the gear page" churning all this, Rich responds to a good bit of posts over there, he's a class act, dead on right guy for his job



Re: hahahaha
by luquadox on 2010-09-09 06:15:35

3 MONTHS TESTING

2 YEARS OF LOST TIME WITH LINE6

AT LAST THE SEARCH IS OVER.

=PEAVEY VYPYR=



Vyper Troll Thread
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-09 06:19:13

dude... why you still here? go play with your snakelike boogie machine.



Re: Vyper Troll Thread
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-09 12:45:08

Well, for what it is worth, I just sold my X3 live pedal for the new HD500, the specs sound cool. I really like the line6 products, always worked perfectly for me, also use the Pod Farm 2 plugs in my studio, very usefull, sure would appreciate a little more definition and bottom end in some models, and I'm pretty sure the HD500 will do that (I hope so )

Cheers,

Hans Van Even

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0g8t5MZDEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0b4ZzN6Dz4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDCzgDr7Jk



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-09 13:47:52

Here's a relevant question: will there be a POD HD "bean" as well, or just the floorboard? Some people may want the ability to move the "brains" away from the floor, due to some shows being more "energetic" than others.

Also, I personally liked having the bean because I could stick it up higher for tweaking while playing, while still having a board on the floor.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by emux2 on 2010-09-09 18:06:13

looks like the HD500 is the only one with variax vdi support...or did I miss something?



Re: hahahaha
by Triple43 on 2010-09-10 14:18:40

jdalf59 wrote:

Noticed the Line6 website was down a little while the other day, no doubt updating  for a big announcement. Must be getting pretty close now

DT50 amp, that sounds interesting. Pretty sure I'll jump in with both feet for at least the HD300. I still have my Atomic 112-18, hope it plays well with it

Gonna be a fun fall season I think

Oh yeah, lotsa fun  over at"the gear page" churning all this, Rich responds to a good bit of posts over there, he's a class act, dead on right guy for his job

Re: the DT50 amp; hadn't heard/seen anything about it until you mentioned it - went to that website and searched for it... hmmm

Maybe it's a "replacement" for the Vetta (but not a direct replacement if that makes sense). HD technology in a nice, high end amp... ooo *warm and fuzzy feeling inside" LOL

And as for that troll.... WHY?! Seems to me like he's overcompensating for a decision he made that he now regrets. You know, the classic 'try to convince others to make the same decision as you to convince yourself that you made the right one' - yeah, that one. LOL



Re: hahahaha
by Polaris20 on 2010-09-10 14:48:09

As long as there's an internet, there will always be some idiot trolling some part of it, hiding behind their monitor and keyboard as usual.



Re: hahahaha
by Triple43 on 2010-09-10 15:01:20

10 YEARS OF LINE 6 PODS

1 WEEK OF READING YOUR POSTS

AT LAST WE HAVE THE ANSWER

=LEAVE=



Re: hahahaha
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-11 03:15:39

There are a few snippets about the new amps coming  over at the gear page, Rich says we will all be surprised

He talked a little bit about the amps they modeled for the floor units, a writer for Guitar Player took a photo of some of the actual modeled amps, very cool

New Variax, new floor models, new tube amps, Line6 has been busy in a good way

I'm digging in closets for stuff to sell on ebay, gonna be a fun Christmas, all this takes advance planning



Re: hahahaha
by aaron__aardvark on 2010-09-11 22:06:44

I was looking at a new Guitar Player magazine (I think that's the name, there are sooo many guitar magazines out there) today, it had an ad for the PodHD thing.  It said to look at www.line6.com/HD for details & I see nothing there.  Am I having a false memory?  It wouldn't be the first time..............OK, it's www.line6.com/PODHD.......never mind, I'm already subscribed to that.  I would delete this post, but I don't know how.



Re: hahahaha
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-12 05:07:00

Aaron, looks like it is a little too early for you to be posting

Just joking, I got that photo off the forums at the gear page, I think Art thompson of GP put it up on a blog or facebook page, not sure

But those are some of the actual amps modeled, Rich said the Park was his favorite amp in the building

I like the amp choices, a little bit of everything, I tend to like clean to mid gain stuff on up to brown sound, I'm not a metal guy



Re: hahahaha
by aaron__aardvark on 2010-09-12 13:03:56

I'm curious about the price of the HD300, so I googled it.  I found it for less than $40 with some sort of video camera function too!  Don't believe me?  Check out this link:

http://www.amazon.com/Quik-Pod-Convertible-Definition-Camcorders/dp/B002FQODU0



Re: hahahaha
by bumpyroad on 2010-09-12 13:28:38

I bought something similar to that the day after I bought my UX1.

It was actually a mirror on a stick.

The sounds were so great - I thought "Is that really me playing?"

So I'd hold up the mirror on a stick and sure enough - it was me.

The prices are coincidentally $300 $400 and $500. But maybe that's what they don't want disclosed in case they change their mind.

And just a comment about the Peavy amp - judging by the poster I'm assuming that these amps are sold exclusively at ToysRus?



Re: hahahaha
by bumpyroad on 2010-09-12 15:10:50

I think I just got a spanking.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Triple43 on 2010-09-12 16:30:53

mikey1 wrote:

Aw, c'mon!  I used thrice in a post!

+1000000 points for that...



Re: hahahaha
by pbear5 on 2010-09-12 20:16:55

spend the extra $10 for the deluxe version Aaron--it has another arm that extends behind you and does the bunny ears behind your head.



Re: hahahaha
by aaron__aardvark on 2010-09-12 20:50:46

Cool!  I gotta have it!



size?
by idbedave on 2010-09-13 15:07:32

Any way we could get l6 to confirm a size on the 500? Same as x3? Would like to know if my current case will fit.

A time frame would be nice also.

That's not too top secret is it? ;-)

Dave



Re: size?
by Triple43 on 2010-09-13 15:11:23

idbedave wrote:

Any way we could get l6 to confirm a size on the 500? Same as x3? Would like to know if my current case will fit.

A time frame would be nice also.

That's not too top secret is it? ;-)

Dave

Someone posted this either on this thread or over at TGP: http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/46263-line-6-fbv-hd500-pedal-bag.html

Don't know how accurate this is, or if it's just a guess, but just thought I'd share.



Re: size?
by idbedave on 2010-09-14 10:22:57

I'm thinking this case might work pretty nice.

http://www.dcmusicstore.com/Pedalboard-hard-case-24-inch

The shortboard is supposed to be 21.5 x 12.2 x 6 inches and if the other places bag fits a shortboard and a hd500 I think this would fit well.

Dave



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by travisvwright on 2010-09-16 07:33:35

Nevada Music in collaboration with Line 6 present an in-store live demonstration of their new 2010 guitar amplifiers, effects and ancilliary equipment. The live demo will be at the Farlington based store near Portsmouth on Saturday 18th September 2010 with demos commencing at around 10.00am and continuing until mid-afternoon ...

Line 6's own guitarmeister Paul Hindmarsh will be putting some of their latest and greatest products through their paces whilst offering customers the chance to ask questions about existing Line 6 equipment. There will be free give-aways and competitions on the day, so make sure that you ring this Line 6 demo date in your diary - Saturday September 18th at the Nevada Music Warehouse ..



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by toneman2121 on 2010-09-16 17:40:19

can't find this tread



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-17 04:13:11

One of the new amps is a Park 75, pretty rare. I found this youtube of one for ya'll to check out while we are all waiting.

Pretty serious Jimmy Page mojo here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ODGc4FFP6Y



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-17 08:21:08

So much discussion on marketing/leaking...who cares...a new product is coming soon.  Lets obsess over that.

Anyway I studied the pics and the thing that jumped out to me was the difference in screens between the 500 & the 300/400.  The 500 has a screen very similar to the X3L while the other two units have much smaller screens.  That leads me to believe the 500 will have more flexable routing options (perhaps they will have a grid type system like the Axe).   I read in another post (may have been on another board) that the 500 will be able to do 8 effects at a time so and that the 400 & 300 will have less (even if 8 is not correct).  I'm wondering if the bigger on-unit screen and more simul. effect means that the 500 will be the only one w/ something similar to duel tone.  What about input/output interfaces...anyone know anything?  I would guess the higher end model will have more options (probably like the X3L had).  I just hope they all have USB.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-17 08:54:26

If it can't make excellent mid and hi gain sounds with no fizz, sizzle, raspiness, etc, when going direct to P.A., I don't care if you can do 50 effects at one time and has 100 amp models and does five part harmonies, etc, etc, etc. The core sound during distortion when playing power chords has been the biggest flaw in all these modelers, for me. I play classic type hard rock and that noise that just seems to piggy back is always there to some extent on all brands but more so with some than others. I hate having to lose that brighter sound by having to lower the eq settings in the higher ranges of the guitar spectrum to tame it. It turns a high fidelity sound(with fizz) into lower fidelity sound but without less fizz. I'm talking live and not recording.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-17 10:41:36

sonnyducks wrote:

a new product is coming soon.  Lets obsess over that.

OK . . . having obsessed over 3 photos and a bunch of forum threads for a few weeks I have noticed a couple of details.

Looking at Studio TM's pics posted at  http://line6.com/community/thread/43720?tstart=0

notice that both the 300 and 400 have a CH VOL knob (Channel Volume?) and no MASTER (Master Volume?) knobs. The 500 has a VOLUME knob but no CH VOL and does have a MASTER knob. The 300 and 400 have Amp Selector knobs where the 500 does not. I wish we could read the printing on the top back of the units to tell something about the difference of Ins and Outs between the 3 units. The 400 shows an Effects Loop footswitch and the 300 doesn't. Since times are tough economically for me I'd  like to know if I can get by with a 300 and my M9 and not be missing out  on too much more functionality from the 500. Not to mention the new JTV hitting the streets at about the same time. (I want but cannot get next gen Pod and Variax all at once and I don't think Santa is even going to fly by my house this year much less stop by)

I would guess the higher end model will have more options (probably like the X3L had).

So far all we have somewhere in one of 3 threads on the Line6 forum and the GearPage forum and a few others, is a generic write up of all 3 machines from Dolphin Music (in English) that got pulled and poorly translated German and French write ups before those online retailer adds got pulled.

Besides the physical differences, all we have from the retailer adds is that there are 512 user editable presets for the 500 and 128 user presets, 256 factory presets for the 300 and 400) and effects (100 - 90 - 80) respectfully. The 500 can do up to 8 effects at once, the other 2 only 4 effects at once. The 500 has double the looper time than the other 2.

I just hope they all have USB.

The info says that all 3 come with Free software for editing and managing sound libraries - so USB on all 3 seems to be a given.



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by LeonardoCastro on 2010-09-17 11:13:43

Here:

http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/events/n158.aspx

Regards,

Leonardo.



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by wardick on 2010-09-17 13:18:31

Since this thread and others are based on not much.... here is the first HD sightings:



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by cgtrox on 2010-09-17 15:26:00

LMFAO!! Good one bro!

cgtrox



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-17 18:21:05

thanks Leonardo, lets hope someone shows up with a decent video camera!



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-17 20:04:34

Nice One!

The only relief for

GearAcquisitionSyndrome

is to...

FinishAcquisitionRegardingTransaction!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-17 21:50:31

I know what I want for Christmas.

Higher res photos here:  http://jsguitarforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104033&page=3



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-18 03:42:04

http://line6.com/dt50/index.html

OK, this looks interesting............



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-18 04:36:10

Indeed it does.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-18 05:46:10

Thanks for the pics mcmurray.

Looking at the 300 it appears to have no looping.

Looking at the 400 it appears to have looping.

Both the 300 & 400

* have the same control buttons

* a vol & wah LED for the rocker pedal

* both can do 3 effects

* mode switch w/ 3 LEDs..any ideas?  Could be duel tone.

* has the same amp/effects knobs the non-premium line6 amps do

Things different about the 500:

* has a master volume (already noted I think)

* has a pres knob for amps

* rocker pedal has EX1 & EX2 light which leads me to think it will function like the X3L in that you can assign any param to it.

* has similar control to the XL3

As far as interface they def all have different inputs/outs based on the markings on the face of the units.

Begs the question if they are gonna go floor only w/ this new line.  When the X3 came out, did the bean and the floor units come out together or did one come before the other?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-18 05:54:29

That's a good breakdown of features Sonny.

I wonder if we'll get a metronome this time?  It's the only thing I hated about the X3, having to plug in an external metronome while practicing.  Wouldn't take more than a few minutes to code it in, so they don't really have any excuses.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-18 06:19:09

gonna be fun to see how all this works together, DT, "dual tone", "digital tube"? Is this some sort of new Vetta?

Pretty sure with the HD's, Tyler Variax, and DT amps, by Christmas Line 6 is going to look like a certain Biblical character with the jawbone of a donkey in its hand, pure carnage



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by wardick on 2010-09-18 07:08:32

Pretty sure with the HD's, Tyler Variax, and DT amps, by Christmas Line 6 is going to look like a certain Biblical character with the jawbone of a donkey in its hand, pure carnage

Who would that be... Shrek? 



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-18 07:55:05

Looking at the 300 it appears to have no looping.


The  specs from the web adds say both 300 and 400 have the 24 second loopers. I  think that mode footswitch brings the looper up on the 300 and the  400. To me it looks like on the 300 --  record/overdub on FX1, play/stop on FX2, play once on FX3.

When the X3 came out, did the bean and the floor units come out together or did one come before the other?

The X3 bean and X3 Live both came our together in Oct 2007.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-18 11:26:15

metronomes are gay in an amp......just my opinion...

A looper is a metronome...more fun than a metronome I think...Did I read that they all have loopers? I use my MK2 looper for woodshedding...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-18 12:26:11

i clearly have an incredibly heterosexual amp... no metronome no where's!

great news for the amp... it can still legally marry in all 50 states



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-18 19:31:44

Agree, but a POD ain't an amp.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thecrimsonrabbit on 2010-09-19 09:00:11

Just please, for Pete's sake, give us stereo ins and outs so that I can use it with my Duoverb, and keep it true stereo!



Re: So the HD release party is going to be in Portsmouth UK?
by dylantan on 2010-09-20 06:22:18

Yep. And perhaps another vessel scheduled to move the HD500 Plus's or HD700s, too, at a later date!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by fasterrhoads on 2010-09-20 09:07:06

Anyone have any info, specs on the DT50 amp?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Tony93666 on 2010-09-20 15:26:02

"a POD ain't an amp"

- mcmurray

technically, it's a pre-amp... a really cool, capable of all kinds of stuff, pre-amp.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-20 15:49:05

Part of me wants it to be the absolute bomb. Everything I thought it could be. Another part of me wants it to be an utter train wreck. Because that's what I predict.

It's like some weird online corporate reality show.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by fasterrhoads on 2010-09-20 19:13:29

I was actually referring to this: http://http://line6.com/dt50/index.html">http://line6.com/dt50/index.html">http://http://line6.com/dt50/index.html

Thanks



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thecrimsonrabbit on 2010-09-21 06:00:25

The DT amp looks like a new Duoverb. That would be great, actually. I love my Duoverb.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-21 06:02:12

You see, this is the type of comment I really don't understand.  Why this sort of hate?  What has Line 6 ever done to you?  Did they kick your puppy or something?  There are some companies' products I like more than others, but I generally don't have a desire to see the companie whose stuff I don't buy fail.  Actually, I think it's in everyone's best interest for companies to be successful, because it increases competition, and competition is what drives technological advancement.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-21 07:18:36

Pics of the back panels of all models.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Mr_Arkadin on 2010-09-21 07:19:07

phil_m wrote:

You see, this is the type of comment I really don't understand.  Why this sort of hate?

That's just mikey1's MO. Some people just enjoy going through life being negative.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-21 07:41:52

"One thing that we all must change about our culture...In order for Apple to win, does NOT mean that Microsoft has to lose." - S. Jobs

That change in thinking was very productive for Apple...The AXE vs X3 reminds me so much of the MS vs Apple PC wars of yesterday...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-21 07:46:39

Interesting picks, I'm interested to hear when it will be officially announced, hence we all now it will come, there has been a release party last saturday, but still no info in the L6 website, come on L6 guys, what are you waiting for

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-21 08:35:59

Yeah...nice pics.  Wasn't there a Line6 event this past weekend? I guess the didn't show off the HD line.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-21 08:45:42

Thanks for those pics mcmurray.

I have been waiting to see some of the major differences between the models and this tells more of the story.

Looks like no Variax support unless you get the 500.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-09-21 08:48:00

Great pics! Where did these come from?

I see the mic in is still there and it looks like an aux in. Can anyone make out that 2 instruments can still be used? Bass/guitar or 2 guitars?

Wasn't this going to be released in Sept? Running out of time. I talked to a retailer who had no idea when his order was coming in. I wish I could make out the words. Can anyone see them any better and type out what all the in's and outs are?

Thx



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maqaf1 on 2010-09-21 08:52:53

Thanks for the pics, mcmurray.

Has there been any mention about the male xlr near the usb (L6 Link?)?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-21 08:59:17

sonnyducks wrote:

Yeah...nice pics.  Wasn't there a Line6 event this past weekend? I guess the didn't show off the HD line.

This is a post in the X3 Forum by johnblume and I think it was from the event this past weekend.  I tracked down the thread in the Avid forum and I think that's what it was about: http://line6.com/community/thread/44534?tstart=0

POD HD 500 Patch Tested

"I own the Digidesign (Avid) 11 Rack and frequent the 11 Rack Forum. There was a post by someone who tested an HD500 patch.

"I was at a music seminar this past week and heard the "Park Model"  on the HD 500, which is essentially a plexi - it was A/B'd against the  Axe-FX Ultra and I could not hear any differences between the tones. I  asked the presenter what he thought about the feel and he said it felt  good. The feel of course will have to be tested as will the reliability  of the units".

"TheHD 500 will have a revolutionary new kind of Impulse Response feature."

Thought these were interesting posts on other manufacturers forums. Can't confirm as reliable though.

Hurry up and announce the thing already !! I want to place my order

JB"



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-21 09:37:14

phil_m wrote:

You see, this is the type of comment I really don't understand.  Why this sort of hate?  What has Line 6 ever done to you?

I don't think Mikey is being a hater.  He's just talking about past product releases.

  • PODxt - a good bit of stuff wasn't quite right until 2.x was released.  And then quite a few people complained about 2.x for some of the bad that came with the good.
  • PODxt Live - editor.  editor?  What editor?  Oh, here it is.  Almost a year later.
  • POD X3 - bugs, rehash of existing tech, bad switches, plastic bottom, flaking metallic paint, faulty expression pedal photo sensor design, bad internal oscillator for USB, etc.

He wants the HD to be a great product, because we all do.  But he remembers what happened in the past.  He isn't wishing for a trainwreck, but he feels it might be unavoidable.

I, on the other hand, am more optimistic.  Just because.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-21 09:40:05

idbedave wrote:

Can anyone make out that 2 instruments can still be used? Bass/guitar or 2 guitars?

I adjusted the light in PShop and blew it up and this is how I read it:

300 left to right:
Guitar In, CD/MP3 Input, Master Volume, Unbalanced Output: L/Mono - Amp-Line - R/Mono, Output Mode (can't make out switch labels), Balanced Output: Left - Right, Looks like Amp/Line switch again, Phones, L6 Link USB, Power.

400 left to right:
Pedal 2, Guitar In, CD/MP3 Input, Master Volume, Unbalanced Output: L/Mono - Amp-Line - R/Mono, Output Mode (can't make out switch labels), Balanced Output: Left - Right, Phones, FX Return L/Mono - R/Mono, Unknown switch??, FX Send, L6 Link, USB, Power.

500 left to right:
Pedal 2, Guitar In, CD/MP3 Input, Master Volume, Unbalanced Output: L/Mono - R/Mono, Output Mode, Balanced Output: Left - Right, Phones, Aux In, Mic, maybe a trim knob??, unknown switch above it, FX return L/Mono - R/Mono - (single)FX Send , Variax, S/PDIF Out, Midi Input, Output/?Thru?, USB,
L6 Link, Power.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by travisvwright on 2010-09-21 09:42:22

Under FX send it says TRS Stereo.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Mr_Arkadin on 2010-09-21 10:00:39

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

He isn't wishing for a trainwreck, but he feels it might be unavoidable.

Sorry Karl, but which bit of "Another part of me wants it to be an utter train wreck." isn't wishing for a train wreck? He just wants this to go wrong so he can say, "I told you so." which is something most people grow out of before they reach puberty.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-21 10:24:16

I think Karl is being diplomatic and wants to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. That's nice. Of course, one can't deny the quote you put above. The guys is obviously saying there that a side of him wants to see it fail. He may just be talking out of frustration, though. At least I hope that's the case and that he doesn't really mean it.

Man, only 7 posts? Hard to believe I'm in the 1,500 and more on another couple of forums. If the HD is what I hope it is and I don't have to get rid of it as fast as I did the PXTL, you will read more from me. I just wish it came in rack form without costing more than $500 like me GSP1101.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-21 10:26:33

mannydingo wrote:

The guys is obviously saying there that a side of him wants to see it fail. He may just be talking out of frustration, though.

Which is why I listed those things in past product releases that are probably making him and a lot of other people frustrated.  I know they frustrated me.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-21 10:43:12

I really have never seen the XT series described as anything but a success, honestly.  Yes, the X3 release had its fair share of issues, and it was really a move sideways more than anything.  To me, though, it's not the lack of problems that define a company.  It's how they respond to them.  They can choose to try to sweep them under the rug, or they can be honest with them and deal with them. Working in an industry where problems come up nearly everyday, I know it's simply unrealistic to not expect various failures and bugs with any product.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-21 10:52:03

It looks like on the right of the HD500, there's a jack labeled "I/O Link".  Perhaps that is for the interconnection for the new amplifier as mentioned in the one ad?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-21 10:55:38

phil_m wrote:

I know it's simply unrealistic to not expect various failures and bugs with any product.

True, some problems are going to happen.  However, would you go and buy an expensive piece of musical equipment if you thought it might have inherent problems based on past experiences with the same company?  I know I probably wouldn't.  Look how people avoid products from Behringer because they've developed a reputation for shoddy workmanship (not saying that is the case for all of their products, just that there's a perception).

If you were to buy a nice tube amp, I think it's reasonable to expect your new amp won't have problems with the switches, or bad solder joints, or faulty design.  Right?  Software faults I can live with if they can be fixed promptly.  Hardware is a different problem.

Anyway, I fully expect the amps, effects, and guitars I've bought over the last year not to have ANY problems at all.  And for the money I paid, they better well not.  Why would anyone expect otherwise?  Maybe those lower expectations are the problem.  Now companies are banking on your lower expectations.  And meeting them.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-21 11:06:56

Well that's the thing.  Here's the list of Line 6 products I've owned through the years:

POD2.0

DL4

MM4

DM4

Duoverb

PODxt bean

XTL

Echo Park

Constrictor

Spider Valve 212

Variax 300

M13

M9

X2 XDS Wireless system

(2) EX-1 expression pedals

Of that list, the only ones that I've had issues with were the Duoverb, the Variax and a squeaky pedal on the XTL.  The Duoverb had an issue with the power amp, and Line 6 completely replaced it even though it was discontinued when I bought.  The issue with the Variax turned out to be a loose plug-in connector inside the guitar.  The XTL pedal thing wasn't a huge thing - I just got it fixed so I could sell it.  But it was a free fix.

I guess if I had reoccuring problem, it would be one thing, but it simply hasn't been my experience.

Of course, perception is important, but reality is important as well.  The perception that is put forth on the boards does not always meet the reality of what is really happening, imo.  If everyone, or even a majority of people who bought Line 6 stuff had problem, they would no longer be in business.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-21 11:11:44

phil_m wrote:

It looks like on the right of the HD500, there's a jack labeled "I/O Link".  Perhaps that is for the interconnection for the new amplifier as mentioned in the one ad?

To me, I think it says "L6 Link", but you are right I think this is the connection to . . .

" Compatibility with new Line 6 adaptive amps enables an unprecedented level of integration, communication and control."



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maqaf1 on 2010-09-21 11:13:12

Hey_Joe wrote:


500 left to right:
Pedal 2, Guitar In, CD/MP3 Input, Master Volume, Unbalanced Output: L/Mono - R/Mono, Output Mode, Balanced Output: Left - Right, Phones, Aux In, Mic, maybe a trim knob??, unknown switch above it, FX return L/Mono - R/Mono - (single)FX Send , Variax, S/PDIF Out, Midi Input, Output/?Thru?, USB, Power.

perhaps a line/instrument level selector.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by kristianbrigman on 2010-09-21 12:12:42

actually, if I am reading it correctly, it says 'Line<>Stomp'. which should mean it can do reamping correctly for stomp box effects. very cool.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by iasomie_ro on 2010-09-21 12:55:00

Pictures from thomann.de



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-21 15:57:14

Here is mine:

AX212 and foot controller   1500.00  Good amp but knobs broke easily and I spent @ 400.00 on repairs. Still, I consider it a success.

Vetta HD.  I got a deal.  650.00.  Nightmare. Random patch changes, volume issues. Sold it. Guy that bought is still pissed off.

Pod Pro. 600.00, count em, 600.00 freakin dollars. It crapped out. 200.00 on repairs. I still have it. Learned my lesson. I'll take friends over money.

Bass Pod Pro. 600.00  Like the Pod Pro, it was supposed to clock to another source but never did. I could clock my system to it, but not reliably. Clicks and pops.

Flextone III. I don't remember. 400.00? Great amp. Bought the shortboard too. Another 250.00 because my old controller didn't work with it. 

Pod XT Live. Fully loaded. Sat in one spot mostly unused. Something went wrong with it. Line 6 fixed it for free. Miller handled it. He's a good dude and a credit to the company. Although I rarely use it, it still works.

Pod Farm. Got it free. Use it all the time. Love it.

I'd say I'm about 50/50 with Line 6. In my opinion, not quite good enough. And that's not getting into the whole esoteric thing of sound quality.

I also disagree with your assessment of reality as it pertains to these boards. While I'd agree the ratio between unhappy and happy customers is disproportionate, I'd also argue that the percentage of unhappy customers is vastly more than what you see here.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-21 15:59:56

Thanks, Karl.

I apreciate it.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-21 16:02:35

Nonsense. You're just pissed I called you on your late '60's VCO analogy.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-21 16:07:38

That's just personal. It's an insult. And, not a very good one. Puberty? Pot, kettle.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-21 16:31:38

I don't really believe in karma at all, but it certainly seems like people who post here have some bad karma when it comes to gear.  I think I'd be ticked too with that track record.  I've never understood it, but it seems like the people I know who get a piece of gear with a problem are always more likely to get one with a problem in the future.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Mr_Arkadin on 2010-09-21 17:39:47

mikey1 wrote:

Nonsense. You're just ****** I called you on your late '60's VCO analogy.

What are you even talking about?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-22 00:52:09

Guys, calm down.

Some people like L6, some people don't, others desperately want to like it and still more will always hate it no matter what.  I understand frustrations - I bought my X3L as a trade-up from a Korg AX1500G and whilst some things are much better, the live tone isn't dramatically better to my ears.  Having said that I don't feel the need to batter the product, as it gives a lot for the money, but I am happy to offer constructive ideas for improvement. Live and let live I say.

I personally like my X3L, but would like to see some pretty fundamental improvements, such as the ability to DI to a mixer and also connect to an amp on stage at the same time without the juggling to get compromise sounds that I have now.  Less choise of a higher quality would be better IMO as well, especially in tube type tones with a real feeling to them.

I expect I won't jump madly in to the HD500 until I see how it's v1 pans out.  I haven't had the X3L long and as I understand from the forum it it is much better than the original V1 X3L, due to bug fixes and hardware updates.  I'd rather not be the guinea pig - I don't have enough money to throw around :-)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-22 01:49:06

Wow, I'm surprised to hear about the bugs and problems on L6 gear, I should find myself lucky then, I use L6 since the first POD came out, and never had problems with it. I would say it is as reliable as Roland/Boss gear for me, something I can't say about all manufacturers ... for example earlier this year, I bought the TC Nova system and while the sound was great, it had quite some important bugs, like freezing etc. so sold it after one month of use and ecided to use my PODx3live in the efects loop of my amp just for delay, chorus and reverb effects which worked great. So I'm pretty happy with my L6 gear so far.

BTW what bugs did you guys have with the POD X3 Live pedal ?

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by dylantan on 2010-09-22 06:51:36

Hmmm ...

Variax Connection > perhaps a new Variax model to start the chain;

FX connection to hook up with your favorite amp or *L6 Link* to go direct to uh ... DT50 and let the HD500 control the DT50;

Some new software to give it a wholesome setup;


Now I am beginning to see how they say it has been in the works for years --- simple ambition >>> Line6 Guitar to Line6 MFX to Line6 Amp!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by fixxxer3838 on 2010-09-22 08:40:26

Just stumbled across some more info @ http://www.shred-reviews.co.uk/reviews/gear/line6-hd-400-and-500-floorboards/

"Here’s what you guys want to  know…. End of September Line6 will release the new line and it is call  the POD HD500. It will rival Axefx in terms of both depth of editing  and processing power. The “Kicker’……. It will be a third of the  price 599.99."



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-22 11:16:10

Now I have bad karma?? Seriously?? You guys crack me up. This is why I keep coming back. Just to see what you guys will come up with next. Karma! That's funny stuff.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-09-22 11:21:32

(sigh) Nevermind. Have a nice day.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-22 11:31:39

Well, I was just joking, of course.  But I have noticed that it seems  that certain people I know simply have no luck when it comes to buying  stuff.  If there's a chance of getting a defective item, they will get  it.  I even noticed it when I worked in retail.  It just seemed that  certain people have continually worse luck than others.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-22 12:08:24

LOL, you may be right though P¨hil, and for me I have my periods of bad luck, though Line 6 and Roland/Boss are good examples of gear that never broke.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Swampmans on 2010-09-22 16:02:46

Cuz Im waiting to have that blast with bells on lol. I new you guy's were working on something new lets blow the doors of these other modelers and rock the free world can I have a hell yeah !



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Swampmans on 2010-09-22 16:33:33

All I can say is bring it on and lets rock !



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-22 22:11:25

Will there be a rack version of this? Or, maybe a bean version? I have come to grow weary of bending over but will do it and sacrifice it if I have no choice if it sounds real good.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by m1kan1e on 2010-09-22 22:52:37

In Europe at Thomann POD HD is available now!!! In 2 to 5 days to delivery!!! I mean WHAT? Line6 has announced nothing yet?!

http://www.thomann.de/gb/line6_pod_hd500.htm



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-22 23:29:08

Yesss, thanks for that, just placed my order

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-23 00:48:29

Unless that's going to be the earliest market, I have a funny feeling no one ordering it now is going to get it within 5 days regardless of what that ad says. By the way, they also show the 300 and 400 available in 2 to 5 days also. Hans, you will be letting us know the minute it arrives, right?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-23 01:33:26

Why do I want an HD500 even though I don't really know anything about it, have heard no sound samples, have seen no reviews, it's not even released and probably won't get enough for my X3L to be able to afford it - aaaaarrrgh.  



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-23 01:42:02

Thomann said they recieve 2 HD500 pieces today, and the rest on 30 september. Unfortunately I wasn't among the 2 first to order, but I was among the 10 first, so mine should be in the 30 september run ..

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Misie3k on 2010-09-23 01:54:12

pchapple wrote:

Why do I want an HD500 even though I don't really know anything about it, have heard no sound samples, have seen no reviews, it's not even released and probably won't get enough for my X3L to be able to afford it - aaaaarrrgh.  

congratulations.you have just confirmed the yearly bonus of Line6 CMO



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-23 02:12:46

Thanks for the tip!

Ordered



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-23 03:04:44

That's why we have guys like Hans Van Even and McMurrary: to do the alpha testing for us. There's no unit free of defects and, even if the main stuff is fixed early on, there will be something to correct. Some units more and some less. It's the nature of the beast. Some brands are better than others. Some improve and some get worse. Others stay about the same but they all have issues and the first guys that want their hands on one as soon as possible get that luxury but also have to deal with that negative.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-23 03:28:09

LOL thanks for the encouragement mannydingo

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-23 03:48:23

Anytime, Hans.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by vtmmusic on 2010-09-23 05:02:35

Also ordered one. Will keep you informed.

VTM.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-23 05:45:53

LOL must be the first time I've ordered an item without it being announced ...

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-23 06:11:02

Really excited to hear what you have to say about it Hans !!  I'm going to be very jealous, I just know it !!

Enjoy :-))



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-23 06:35:59

Thanks, VTM.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-23 06:38:18

Gratz Hans...please keep us posted. 

Now to bring things down a little bit.  I will be shocked if they send you anything in 2-5 days.  It hasn't even been announced yet.  It's no where on the Line6 website.  It wouldn't be the first time a web retailer listed a product as available took orders then changed the status to "backordered"  I've seen it w/ loads of home electronics.

Hopefully I'm wrong and they will be sending you a tracking # very soon.  If you do get it, any chance you can post an unboxing video on YouTube when you get it and shortly after another video of you demo'ing the thing.  PRETTY PLEASE.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-23 07:07:31

Hi sonnyducks, well they initially announced it at Thomann for mid October, then removed it, and when I called they said they should recieved two today and the rest on 30 september, really duno if that will be later or so. I think LIne 6 just wanted to be sure they where available at the same time as the announcement, so I think it's just a matter of days for both announcement and availability in stores ..

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-23 07:07:51

Pretty please? You mean BEAUTIFUL PLEASE??? I want to hear it direct coming out of a PA or a keyboard combo amp. I want the "no tube amp" and "no solid state" guitar amp sound. Puting a microphone or a hand-held type mic picking what's coming out of the speakers is what I want to hear. I want to hear mid gain and hi gain and crunch sounds going direct mic'd at high volume without clipping so I can hear if it has the fizz, sizzle, raspiness, etc. Give me almost zero of that and I can live with just average effects. However, the harmonizer is my baby. It MUST work well. I can live with mediocre reverb, delay, chorus, etc, if there's no fizz without having to cut the eq so much that it darkens the sound.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-23 07:12:07

Did you miss the part where the store stated they already have 2 in stock?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-23 07:35:26

Well, they said they should have two in stock today. Let's hope that's the case. I just called Guitar Center here and it's in their computer but none in stock and no date.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-23 07:48:39

When i go to the link it says available in 2-5 days which means they have none right now.  May have said they had 2 earlier but I didn't see it so I can't comment on that.

Regardless of what the web site says...let's hope Hans gets one so we can hear the thing.

While we are waiting I have another question.  I'm just getting into digital recording which is why I am looking at this thing.  May do some live stuff for church which is why I'm looking at this thing for recording and live stuff.  Do you guys record direct w/ your current POD floor units?  If so, do the pedals work while you are using gearbox/amp farm plug in.  How does the POD work as an interface only (say I want to use the amps in Logic or Guitar Rig)?

(sorry to hijack the thread).



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-09-23 10:22:05

youtube video would bi nice but I'd also like to see a manual of it. I e-mailed the one lace who is supposed to get them and they said they don't have a manual yet. If someone could also post that when they get one.

Dave



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by acoustictones on 2010-09-23 10:51:27

Yes, yes, yes I know that the HD series is NOT meant to be a LOOPERS dream pedal, BUT as cheap as memory seems to be out there I would love to have seen them make this their new and improved LOOPER as well.  It would have everything I need to the ONE-MAN show gigs.

I suppose I could always use one of these new pedals and keep my Boss Looper, but I would love have seen them include more than 24-48 seconds of looping

I'm still hoping to see them come out with a new and improved JM4.  But the reason that I LOVE the idea of the HD500 with the built in looping of the JM4 is due to the fact that it has it's own built in DI Box (xlr out's for show's), both guitar and mic inputs, usb recording capabilities, etc. 

I know that it can't be EVERYTHING to everybody, but would love to have seen them fade out the dedicated looper by adding some real time to the HD500's looping feature.

LINE 6: HERE'S JUST ONE VOTE FOR A NEW AND IMPROVED JM4.  I REALLY HOPE YOU SOLD ENOUGH OF THE ORIGINAL TO MAKE IT WORTH YOUR EFFORTS, AND I STILL HAVE HOPE THAT YOU WILL SINCE I SEE THAT YOU SEEM TO BE ADDING THE LOOPING FEATURE TO MOST OF YOUR LATEST PRODUCTS (PEDALS, AMPS, ETC.).

THANK YOU!!!

End of my plea

David



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-24 12:06:33

I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but has anybody checked out the thomann.de link lately?  The HD500 page is gone. (And by gone I mean it isn't listed on their site anymore).  Tried doing a search for "HD500" and nothing came back.  Line6 may have made them pull it down until the product line is announced.  Only one more week of September left.

Hans, you hear anything from them?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-24 16:06:05

check some threads on "the gear page"  our buddy rich is responding to things over there, just search hd500 or adaptive amps

dognmoon over there spent a few hours with a hd 300 and talked about it a bit

I'm eying stuff to sell for one



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Jushi on 2010-09-24 17:40:10

Went to a  musicstore yesterday and asked if i could preorder a POD HD500.

He showed me a catalogue from their supplier and bam, there it was. All the specifications on 300,400 and the 500.

But  no releasedate. So he called their supplier and asked about it and was  told that the first load of these will come out at the end of october.

And i will have the hands on one the same day   Thought i would share the good news with all you who is waiting. All this waiting is killing me

Also i think its very strange L6 hasnt maked an official announcement about it when its just a month away

Also excuse my crap *** english, hehe



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-25 01:43:05

The latest edition of the UK magazine Guitarist carries a Line 6 advert for the new HD range [same advert that appeared in the US guitar magazine] and UK dealers are advertising the HD range and the new amp heads, so the release must be imminent.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-25 02:14:02

I ordered from Thomann on thursday. My order confirmation said 2 to 5 days. On friday, it was removed from their website. Today, it returned ... still with 2-5 days delivery time.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-26 04:09:33

Was just reading some stuff over at the gear page, good ole' AndyZ mentioned there was an amp show in Los Angeles next week.

He will be at the Line6 room, maybe some of you So. Californians could stop by.....

Maybe get a sneak peek at whats coming, he's done some patches for the  new HD's



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-26 09:10:07

Get ready to be excited bitches!

http://www.vettaville.nl/news.php#1104



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mcmurray on 2010-09-26 09:10:49

double post



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-26 13:14:02

Guess there will be a big rollout at the amp show

Lucky Dogs out there in LA!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by diysix on 2010-09-27 02:13:30

FYI just called Thomann again, and they didn't recieve anything yet, but they still have 30 September as official delivery date from Line 6 so ... I'll call them again in a few days to see if that will change ...

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by StudioTM on 2010-09-27 10:34:09

PRESS RELEASE: Line 6 Inc, the industry leader in digital modelling technology for music-creation products, ships a family of new POD HD multi-effect pedals, which debuts 16 brand-new Line 6 HD amp models, and much more.

"HD amp models deliver sonic depth, character and realism like never before," remarked Mike Murphy, Category Manager for POD and PC Products at Line 6.

"Over the last few years, we've had teams working on assembling a museum-quality collection of vintage guitar amps, restoring each amp back to its pristine state, and developing new HD amp modelling technology. The result is a collection of amp models that far exceeds our expectations and is the biggest news in POD since POD itself."

The 16 HD amp models offer an incredibly wide array of amp tones, and they do so with previously unachievable realism. They are inspired by a variety of immortal modern and vintage guitar amplifiers including a Fender Twin Reverb, Hiwatt Custom 100, Supro S6616, Gibson EH-185, Divided by 13 JRT 9/15, Dr. Z Route 66, Vox AC-30 (Top Boost), Marshall JTM-45 MkII, Park 75, Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier, ENGL Fireball 100, and more.

(Recognizable amplifiers modelled for previous POD products have been re-modelled for POD HD using the new HD amp modelling technology.)

In the largest research project ever undertaken by Line 6, the HD Amp Modeling campaign required the development of an entirely new suite of software and hardware tools. These tools were built to capture, analyze, and translate into DSP code every nuance that analog circuitry imparts to the creation of an amplified guitar tone.

POD HD500, the flagship of the three-product family, features a comprehensive collection of digital and analog ins and outs, a 48-second looper, and over 100 M-class effects.

Made popular by the Line 6 M13 and M9 Stompbox Modellers, M-class effects excel at everything from vintage fuzz to modern pitch effects. Modelled after classic stompboxes and rack gear, or custom-designed by Line 6, M-class effects include tangy choruses, syrupy sweet reverbs, distinctive delays, and much more.

POD HD500's back panel includes quarter-inch balanced and XLR unbalanced outputs, XLR mic input, stereo FX send and return, MIDI in and out/thru, S/PDIF and more. PODHD300 and POD HD400 feature full sets of ins and outs, a 24-second looper, and more than 80 and 90 M-class effects, respectively.

Prices start at £259 for the POD HD300.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Information taken from official press release, for more visit Line



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-27 11:53:40

Cool. That makes an imminent release more likely, although it doesn't mention a launch date.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Tony93666 on 2010-09-27 13:06:35

so where did this 'official' press release actually come from?

There's nothing about it(or IT itself) on the Line 6 UK site, despite the 'for more information' link at the bottom...

There's also nothing mentioned there that we didn't already know.

??????



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-27 13:15:18

Well, it's here : http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/line-6-unveils-new-pod-hd-amp-modellers-280188



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-29 03:06:41

What does this mean then do we think?

"Recognizable amplifiers modelled for previous POD products have been  re-modelled for POD HD using the new HD amp modelling technology"

Got me thinking... ... X3L could load XTL tones from CustomTone, but if HDXXX only has 16 models and different effects to X3L and XTL, then I assume this will not be possible?  Not a massive problem and worth it to get superior sounds, but I wonder if there will be some way of porting of existing banks across?  Probably would need so much readjustment that you may as well start again.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-29 03:15:33

I don't think it should be a huge problem. For example, just make it so if you choose an amp model that exists on both units, having the amp's bass on 10 using an X3 would mean a simple program puts your amp's bass on 10 on the new HD unit. It's if they're willing to make the program that's the question not that it can't be done. It's actually easy as pie for some people. I'm not one of them.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-09-29 03:35:18

Hi mannydingo, that would make sense.  They could have a 'translation table' built in - amp X becomes HD amp Y - fairly simply I would have thought?  The question then would be what happens if the X3L is using an amp that isn't modelled in the HD at all (yet).  All will be revealed no doubt :-)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-29 04:12:09

I know we're still in the rumour rather than spec stages - but does anyone know whether the HD500 will be able to provide power to the new JT Variax when using the special Variax cable?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-29 05:44:50

thijsvanthienen wrote:

I know we're still in the rumour rather than spec stages - but does anyone know whether the HD500 will be able to provide power to the new JT Variax when using the special Variax cable?

If you look at the photos that have been posted of the backs of the units

http://line6.com/community/thread/42307?start=240&tstart=0

you will see that the 500 is the only one of the 3 units that has the Variax VDI port.

so the answer is - yes. That input has been the Pod's power and communication link with the Variax since the XTL.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-29 05:50:33

Thanks for that bit of info, I wasn't aware of that. I'm new to the Line6 world, having relied on traditional guitar/fx/amp setups for the past 20 years or so. I have slowly been pulled to the dark side, so I'm not fully up to speed on the pod/variax history

So when I'm playing a Variax through a HD500, the battery will never be an issue? That's cool - it was one of my main concerns



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-29 06:34:00

as long as you use the special cable (VDI)

the new variaxes have a rechargeable lithium battery that last like 12 hours, so i don't think batteries will be a huge issue....

love my variax.... can't wait to get one of the new ones.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by zerod on 2010-09-29 06:58:53

i'm in italy, i asked to the italian reseller who told me that the hd500 will be a revolutionary product for line6 and it will be available at the end of october.

cant wait...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Hey_Joe on 2010-09-29 09:03:41

U2acrobatNL wrote:

. . . I'm not fully up to speed on the pod/variax history

So when I'm playing a Variax through a HD500, the battery will never be an issue? . . .

That's right. Like zap3nc says you need that VDI cable.

And just as the Variax does with the XTL and the X3L the Pod patches will store your Variax model, virtual capo, tuning and other Workbench alterations besides powering it. The Pod is how you can recall another 50 custom models created in Workbench (2 Custom Model knob settings only hold 5 each and then there's the 50 factory, already in it, and the 50 user slots).



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-29 11:34:59

Sound brilliant. I guess that VDI cable is not shipped with either of the products but needs to be ordered separately ... ?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-29 11:38:36

yeah... but hint.... it's basically a cat5 network cable with protective covers on them....

just so you know what to expect....



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-09-29 11:43:43

OK... I had one of those on my G-System years ago!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by BrainRadio on 2010-09-29 13:42:01

I work at a music store that is eagerly anticipating the new Pods (I'm also personally anticipating them since one is for me!) here's a little info that I have... they should be arriving here ANY DAY!!!

Also, you will not be able to transfer your X3 tones to the new unit... sad I know, I have some great patches on my X3 that I would like to transfer over but the new technology that is used is (supposedly) completely differerent.

Anyway, I'm excited and can't wait!!!

I will post more as soon as I recieve mine!!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jayson2 on 2010-09-29 15:43:17

Re: the VDI cable, I asked in another forum and Rich confirm it will come with the new Variax.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=8928292#post8928292

Cheers,

jayson



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Tony93666 on 2010-09-29 18:06:59

"What does this mean then do we think?

"Recognizable  amplifiers modelled for previous POD products have been  re-modelled  for POD HD using the new HD amp modelling technology""

because everyone always accuses Line 6 of just rolling over old technology, adding just abit to it and calling it 'new'... so they're emphasizing "hey, this is NEW modeling technology here people!"

Alot of people said "the X3 is just the XT with all the model packs thrown in", when it was clearly BETTER, not just 'more'.  Dial in the same amp  model with the same settings and the X3 sounded BETTER than the XT in a head-to-head match-up.

I had NO complaints about my X3 - which I have owned from week 1 of its release - except for one:  the inclusion of too many 'gee whiz' noisemaker effects, whilst lacking a complete no-brainer like a harmonizer...

(well, that and the fact that the software wasn't ready when it was released, but that's a strike against Line 6, not the capabilities of the X3 itself.)

I had high hopes that would be addressed with the 2.0 'upgrade', but it wasn't... they just gave us more stuff we didn't need.  *rolls eyes*  They said the X3 couldnt handle it processing-wise, but even the cheapest Digitech RP50 had a harmonizer and that cost a whopping $60 bucks years ago when it came out, so quite frankly, I didn't buy that explanation at all.

That being said, I have had ZERO technical problems with my X3 - not a single one. No glitches, no bizarre behavior, never lost a setting, nothing...  My wife even caught her foot on the cable and yanked it across the room, crashing it to the floor - and it didn't even blink.  I have used it extensively, recording music for 4 different one-man-bands, and released my first CD as well, all instrumentation done with the X3.

I am quite excited about the new HD stuff, even if I think the term 'HD' is kinda cheesy...  I was gonna buy a GT-10 or GSP1101 this month, but I'm holding off - both for the new gear from Line6, AND to see what BOSS or Digitech might be coming out with to compete! hehehehe  (AxeFX?  That's above my pay grade)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-29 18:33:12

Tony93666 wrote:

what BOSS or Digitech might be coming out with to compete! hehehehe

There are rumblings that Boss may release a GT-12 (or whatever number) at January NAMM.  That would be about right.  They did the same exact thing with the GT-10 at Winter NAMM after the X3 was released the previous October.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-29 20:04:55

So the Pod HD page says: Receive POD HD info as it emerges. Enter your email address below.

Info on it is emerging all over the place except from Line6 to my email. Why didn't we find out the 16 amps chosen through email instead of the other sources where they've shown up?

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Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by aaron__aardvark on 2010-09-29 21:29:45

Because it leaked out.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-29 22:39:26

Now that's funny.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-29 23:58:13

It's a Niagara Falls level leak. I work in PR and marketing and think Line 6 has handled this launch badly. When details of the product leaked they should have at least issued a basic statement. Since then we've seen official Line 6 sanctioned adverts in US and UK guitar magazines, an official Line 6 press release posted on the collective website of UK magazines Guitarist, Total Guitar, Guitar Techniques and Computer Music, and a Line 6 employee leaking tit bits of information on various internet forums, whilst the company refuses to make any official announcement.

Dealers updated their websites only to be told to take the product details down – with the exception of Thomann. In the UK there are several dealers selling HD500 carry cases and they have them in stock for immediate shipment, so why the continued silence from Line 6? Is there a last minute glitch or technical problem?

This will be hitting sales of the existing product range as people hold off buying decisions, whilst others dump their existing kit on eBay, which seems to be flooded with secondhand units at the moment, to raise cash to purchase the new products.

I have to say I'm bored now. This is panning out like a classic Greek tragedy. As a loyal BMW customer I always get a heads up on new models - it's about making your customers feel special and wanted. Line 6 seems to be the complete opposite - maybe the marketing director was recruited from North Korea .. :-)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Misie3k on 2010-09-30 00:13:50

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Line_6_Announces_New_DT50_Family_of_Guitar_Amps.aspx

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Line_6_Debuts_HD_Amp_Modeling_in_Three_POD_HD_Multi_Effect_Pedals.aspx

enjoy



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by tochiro on 2010-09-30 00:36:29
Why didn't we find out the 16 amps chosen through email instead of the other sources where they've shown up?

Because clearly we see a company here which does not care about its customers.  I gave them my email address too and I want it to be deleted from their database.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 00:41:21

Good find ... nothing from Line 6 .... I wonder if they will launch today?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 01:18:10

POD HD400 video

http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=146#1107

DT50 video

http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=151#1108

cheers

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-30 01:46:45

Great vids, but how does it come that LIne 6 still hasn't announced it on their website ?

BTW, there's no JCM120 in the 16 models, now that's odd, and one of the amps I love using for Jazz sounds ... that's sad, but all the other amps seem really a lot of fun

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 01:52:20

I'm sure Line 6 is working hard to get the right info available in not to long a time. They first had to make the product, that's what matters in the long run. And they did a hell of job here..

cheers

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 01:54:49

I'm not that impressed with the HD400 actually – OK it was one short video, but the amp models seem to be more high gain rock than anything else and the effects sounded poor. None of the amps I currently use on the X3 seem to be in the HD500. Ho hum ..



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 01:56:59

If they have time to brief the press and dealers then they have time to talk to their loyal customers. After all we're the people who hand over the hard earned cash. Not impressed - and it takes a fair amount to wind me up. This isn't what you would normally expect from a US company.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 02:00:24

I think the selection of amps is a good one and gets you from clean to shred. Nice warm Jazzy tones are in there. Once you have one to try out, try the Wes Trio patch in the Dual tones setlist on the HD500..

Of course maybe your favourite amp isn't in there, but all amps in there will get you to most of what you want achieved. YMMV since everyone has their own ears and experience.

Hope it helps.

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-30 02:02:37

Actually I think they sound great, but keep in mind that the guitar used ins't a vintage guitar either ... I'm pretty sure there will be upgrades in the future with more amps, at least I hope so, would miss my JCM 120 models

Give Line 6 some time guys, maybe it's all about their strategy, to give bits of info (the so called leaks, which I think where intentional) and then release the product ... not that bad a move, because if you take a look on the net, a LOT of people already talk about it without it being released, so they publicity has worked pretty good.

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 02:08:20

You'll be amased at how much they interact with their customers (and listen to what they have to say and do something with it). To let the infomartion out to all the different countries, stores, newsagencies, dealers etc, the best way to do that is to have them come in. There are millions of users out there, you simply can't talk to them all individally.

Line 6 also does a fair amount of shows, at your local dealer, trade shows etc. Just step up to them and ask your question or state your problem. Sometimes they can't give you the solution directly, but the information is valuable for them.

There's only one way to convince and that is to go out to the store, try it for yourself and decide if it lives up to hand over your hard earned cash. At the end it your cash and you're the only one to judge if that cash equals the new tool that gets your creativity flowing, no-one else.

Kind regards

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 02:27:53

Hans, this is not Line 6's finest hour. Line 6 are not communicating with their customers period - in fact when it comes to new products Line 6 have always been secretive. Even the control freaks at Microsoft give people a heads up of what's under development. And I'd like to know why there's only 16 amp models .. and answers to a host of other questions like why model a Park 75? I've owned loads of Line 6 gear and love the company's innovations – just wish they'd be more communicative.

The DT50 amp looks impressive .. but no modelling.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 02:39:28

Just wait untill they have them on their own pages, support will then be given to a product still has to be released.

Regards

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Rowbi on 2010-09-30 03:40:59

timothybaugh wrote:

Hans, this is not Line 6's finest hour. Line 6 are not communicating with their customers period - in fact when it comes to new products Line 6 have always been secretive. Even the control freaks at Microsoft give people a heads up of what's under development. And I'd like to know why there's only 16 amp models .. and answers to a host of other questions like why model a Park 75? I've owned loads of Line 6 gear and love the company's innovations – just wish they'd be more communicative.

The DT50 amp looks impressive .. but no modelling.

so what was http://www.line6.com/dt50 and http://www.line6.com/podhd if they weren't telling you about the products.  granted not much detail, butI@m sure they told you as much as they could

There are actually legal issues when a company releases a product.  dealers are actually bound by contract to not release info before the release date, and I think line 6 have to agree not to release the info too early either.  it's not line 6's fault that other companies leaked it wrongly, so really you should be bashing the leakers for this... or just accept that line 6 will release the info on the day they choose to release the info, and not before, and that you're lucky to have learnt what you did earlier.  also think about the fact that line 6 HQ are in the US, so it's often the case that L6 are late in the day to release info that other sites have earlier.

just because the info isn't there probably means they're more on the case shipping product and gearing up to get you what you want.  alternatively I'm sure if you contacted the marketting manager at Line 6, and tell them you'd prefer them to concentrate more on telling you the info, and deleying the products to the stores by a few more days, he may take that on board.  for me, having the product faster is surely the better option?

the DT50 does model amps, it's got a digital front end I think, but it's more geared to be simpler.  if you want al lthe models, get the POD to go with it.  if you just want a simple tube amp that has a few very versatile tones, just get the amp.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 04:17:08

When the leaks started appearing Line 6 should have broken cover and said something. They didn't so it's just history now.

From the video I watched earlier there didn't seem to be any modelling in the DT50. The topologies are handled by relays.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by zerod on 2010-09-30 04:32:55

i never saw this!!

http://www.line6.com/podhd

from how long is it online?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Crusty_Old_Rocker on 2010-09-30 04:51:20

Line 6 have their way of releasing product information the way they want to that fits with the way they run their business.

They communicate a lot more than just about any other music gear company.

What do you want to know? http://line6.com/podhd/

Cheers,

Crusty



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 05:03:39

The link is new. OK the HD range looks impressive .. I'm liking the tones.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 05:30:24

timothybaugh wrote:

When the leaks started appearing Line 6 should have broken cover and said something. They didn't so it's just history now.

From the video I watched earlier there didn't seem to be any modelling in the DT50. The topologies are handled by relays.

exactly... NO modeling at all in the DT50's just a versatile tube amp capable of re-wiring internally to match the model in the HD analog taking the modeling to the next level... it's a great and versatile amp on its own... but with the modeled pre-amps in the HD line... wow.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 05:30:51

about an hour..\

and for more info

http://line6.com/dt50

enjoy

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by The_Edge on 2010-09-30 05:31:15

Looks like exactly what I've been waiting for. Only thing I don't like the sound of is 512 presets and you can only save 128 of your own.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-30 05:31:16

Great info, they sound increadibly good IMHO!!! Good stuff Line 6, can't wait to recieve my HD500

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jdalf59 on 2010-09-30 05:34:07

Thanks for the videos, Hans,  really excellent, lotsa info and tones there

Gonna be an early Christmas in my house this year



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 05:35:46

zap3nc wrote:


exactly... NO modeling at all in the DT50's

That's not quite true.  The DT50 has 4 different preamp models and can be used as a standalone amp.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-30 05:42:01

Yeah, it does appear there's some sort of modeling going on in the preamp section, but it looks like it's a bit different from the Spider Valve series.  I saw this in the FAQ section:

How do HD modeling technology and tubes work together?


                         
                         

Each one adapts and adjusts based on what the other is doing.
For example, at high volumes the HD amp modeling technology “backs off”
to allow for the natural power-tube distortion to take over and color
the tone. At low volumes, the opposite happens. As a result, DT50 yields
outstanding “sweet spot” tone at all volume levels.

That's kind of cool, imo.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 05:45:34

phil_m wrote:

Yeah, it does appear there's some sort of modeling going on in the preamp section

There's a model assigned to each of the 4 voicings.  Each voicing has a digital preamp model and an analog poweramp topology.   You can assign any voicing to either of the two channels, so it's like you're making a custom two channel amp.   It is one cool amp all by itself.  The head/412 is killer.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 05:46:03

ok, i guess i meant traditional modeling in the sense of digital parameters etc...

it very much behaves like a 100% analogue amp

it also does not attempt to "model" anything but itself...

certainly not intending to argue, or spread any kind of disinformation... just trying to state my perspective

was i really that far off the mark?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 05:52:28

zap3nc wrote:

ok, i guess i meant traditional modeling in the sense of digital parameters etc...

it very much behaves like a 100% analogue amp

it also does not attempt to "model" anything but itself...

Well, I guess you can say that.  And no, the spirit wasn't that far off.  The voicings do model particular amps, though.  Sort of.

I - Fender-ish

II - JTM-45-ish

III - Vox-ish

IV - Engl-ish (Fireball, I think)

That actually covers more territory than one might think.  Certainly more territory than is found in any traditional two channel amp.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 05:55:39

The combo 112 is killer #2

cheers Karl

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-09-30 05:59:51

Karl, thanks for the info.  Regarding the HD floor units, will Gearbox be used for us computer nerds or will a new app be coming?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 06:00:27

Hehe, true that. 



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 06:02:21

nice little rundown Karl,

i guess i just thought of it all more in the analogue realm, as i really like the L6 LINK options.

it really should have been obvious to me, given that you can update the firmware on the amp.

the amp itself is beyond versatile even without L6 Link though...very impressed.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 06:03:21

sonnyducks wrote:

Karl, thanks for the info.  Regarding the HD floor units, will Gearbox be used for us computer nerds or will a new app be coming?

not Karl...

but a new version of "Edit"

specific to each model

edit 300

edit 400

edit 500



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 06:05:02

sonnyducks wrote:

Karl, thanks for the info.  Regarding the HD floor units, will Gearbox be used for us computer nerds or will a new app be coming?

New app.  Editors specifically for the units.  It's pretty darn cool, too.  Nice UI.

Whoops, sorry Zap.  Didn't see that you'd got that one.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-09-30 06:09:20

Now here's my question : will Line 6 update their Amp Farm plugins to take advantage of the new HD modeling, I use them quite a lot and would hate it to have great tone on the floor and not being able to use them inside SONAR :)

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 06:12:09

OK, but that's not a traditional modelling amp. Messa do something similar with the voicings on the Boogie 5:50 and there's no digital processing in sight. I was thinking of buying a Boogie, but I will try the HT50 combo. My local store has one coming in soon.

Having read about the HD500 it's less interesting to me now. Line 6 see the bean as a dead format [replaced in the home studio by plugins like Pod Farm] which I guess you can't argue with. The HD500 is geared towards live playing, rathing than recording, so I'll probably stick with my existing Line 6 gear. On paper it looks a good unit - I hope it's more reliable than the X3 Live.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 06:14:01

I guess the answer will be 'yes' as from listening to the Line 6 interviews the bean is dead and the Studio devices with Pod Farm [or whatever replaces it] is the future. I don't think you can really argue with that as a strategy.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 06:15:41

only line6 themselves could comment on what they may do in the future... for now they've just released some incredible gear.

i suspect that alot of the things we love about the current line will eventually make their way into the new stuff....

but of course... time will tell.

and it may be alot of time!

so don't rush off and sell all your stuff just yet



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 06:24:09

from a reliability standpoint i think the full metal casing, gives it the feel of being built like a tank!

even the pedal seems to be built a little stronger, seems to hug the unit a little tighter seems more integrated.

physically speaking i think the unit advances in reliability are obvious from first touch.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 06:49:33

I wonder if there will be an Pod HD Pro to replace the X3 Pro? I could interested in a rack based unit for the studio so long as it had all the right ins and outs.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-30 07:01:10

How can you call the AC30, a Fender Twin, a Fender Deluxe, or a Bassman high-gain rock oriented?  It seemed like a good many of the amps are classic vintage amps that are known for the clean or slightly overdriven tones.  If anything, it seems a bit less oriented towards the high-gain market than previous PODs.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-30 07:11:52

The funny part of the video is at the end when the guy asks "So where can people get more information". The guitarists says "Just go to Line6.com".

Hey, I tried to delete this post to make it a reply to the whole thread instead of to a specific person. Is there no delete post option so one can make a new one?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by travisvwright on 2010-09-30 07:14:05

With all the complaining I want to be sure you guys know that at:

http://line6.com/podhd

You can get video clips audio clips interviews spec sheets pictures FAQ etc.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by travisvwright on 2010-09-30 07:14:51

Also:  http://line6.com/dt50   if you are interested in that one.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 07:28:15

I was referring to the eralier demo before Line 6 made it's new website available and the amp models were confirmed. The guy from Line 6 tended to stick to the rock amps. Hindsight is great ..



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-30 07:28:23

Yes Hans, The DT50 112 is killer....even more wicked with a 212 cab under it...

-Space



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 07:38:00

i have to say the 112 impressed the hell out of me...

at first i thought i got some sort of mutant 212 misfire because the 112 is quite honestly... HUGE!

but it didn't take more than a few strums to learn that the 112 was serious business.

wish there was a matching 212 cab perhaps one day....

or maybe i'll just swipe space's.... send him to dreamland with Karl hahaha



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 07:45:00

you really need to hear it to be impressed....

many of the vox/fender vintage style amps really shine...

don't get me wrong the high gains are completely mad....good good stuff as well

but the schnozberry taste like schnozberry...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-30 08:12:45

Yes, but the new Pod HD links just got put there a few few hours ago this morning. It's ok, though. I don't have a huge complaint about this. I feel the product is coming out fairly quickly after this so-called leak. I'm sure it really was a leak but what Line6 didn't want was the markets that were not going to get the unit first not to know about it as fast. Line6 is doing their thing and we will have units to try out in due time. If the fizz factor isn't gone going direct to PA or keyboard combo amp, and the sound clips have not proven that to me, I will still be with my GSP1101(which is the same core sound of the RP500 and RP1000).



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 08:16:58

It isn't 'rushed' out because of leaks. Line 6 doesn't operate that way.

Go out to a musicstore near you and see if they're available there, try them and decide for yourself. after all it's your tool of creativity that your buying with your hard earned cash. You are the only one to decide if it's worth your money or that you are better off with something different.

Just try and convince yourself.

Good Times

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-30 08:33:25

One thing I know, I am in dreamland when I play on this amp...I love my MK1 and it sounds great...But this amp sounds better...The oversize cabinet makes a big difference in that also...It's big enough to mount two 12s in it...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-09-30 08:39:31

BTW The new POD HD forums has been opened by our beloved Mr. Miller

http://line6.com/community/community/support/pod_support/pod_hd?view=discussions&start=0

maybe we can start new threads there for easier oversight in the long term.

cheers

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by ricksox on 2010-09-30 08:53:01

Yes! Bring the conversation over for sure!

Also, we'll be adding this to our homepage soon but you can go here for more POD HD info:

http://line6.com/podhd/

Line6Miller



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-09-30 09:55:12

i'm not adventureous enough to attempt a mod... but you'd never know it was a 112 by looking at the front of it.

they got the formula right, if the big cabinet was a part of that... don't change it!

... the cabinet made me feel really old... i mean... i asked for casters on a 112 amp... haha



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Slingy on 2010-09-30 09:57:44

I'm a little late to the party. I thought subscribing to all the Line6 facebook pages ensured I was up to date with all the latest products and rumors. I guess I have to check in here once in a while. Anyways, I expect one of these new products in my home asap.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-30 10:17:57

The thing has a MONSTER power tranny...My bet on the number one mod is the one I am debating now....Jenson Neodymium Speaker...I feel old too...This thing is way heavy....But part of that is the cabinet...Bar none, one of the best built combo cabinets I have ever seen...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 10:35:11

mannydingo wrote:

I feel the product is coming out fairly quickly after this so-called leak. I'm sure it really was a leak

Well, it was in beta for a long time before that.  So it might seem quick to you.   And I can assure you it wasn't a leak.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-30 10:48:40

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

"Well, it was in beta for a long time before that.  So it might seem quick to you.   And I can assure you it wasn't a leak."

So you think Rich isn't being genuine when, on the top of page 3 of this thread, he says "We didn't want it leaked" ???



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 11:19:03

mannydingo wrote:


So you think Rich isn't being genuine when, on the top of page 3 of this thread, he says "We didn't want it leaked" ???

You're taking his words and twisting them to your purposes.  A distributor tried to jump the gun and posted information about the product before they should have.  Of course those distributors knew about the product in advance.  The "leak" wasn't a purposeful one done by Line6 for publicity.  It was an unintentional "leak" done by a distributor trying to get ahead of the game.  Trust me on this.  The rest of us had to keep quiet about the thing for months or risk legal action.  You think it's any different for Line6 employees?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-09-30 11:49:14

I'm sure Line 6 wanted to keep everything under wraps, but in the internet age that's impossible. There were leaks which were compounded by a Line 6 employee leaking further information on various forums [was he officially sanctioned?] and official adverts and press releases issued before the website was updated. Line 6 should have given people a heads up much earlier – what did they have to lose? It's now academic so lets move on.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by rublalup on 2010-09-30 12:02:15

hello, i cant read the entire thread and i got a question: does the hd400 has dual tone capability? you know the two amps at once feature in the x3.....

thanks



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-09-30 12:25:21

I don't understand what the big deal is either way.  I really don't think Rich Renken was purposely misleading people.  He seems to go out of his way to be helpful on different forums.  He may have been given more leeway as far as what he could talk about than the average beta tester, but I'm sure there were limits placed on him.  That's simply how companies do things.  They want to give enough info to create a buzz, but they don't want to reveal too much information too soon.  I don't see what's so odd about that.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by theamigo on 2010-09-30 12:50:10

No, only the HD500 has dual tone.  See this Doc:

http://line6.com/community/docs/DOC-2045



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 13:01:19

rublalup wrote:

does the hd400 has dual tone capability?

Nope.  Just the 500.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-09-30 13:06:25

Natively, no the HD400 does one tone...But does it very very well...However, with a switchable parallel stereo FX loop you can actually do that...and a bit more is you like...all you need is another preamp, bean or something...



Re: hmmmmm.....
by Tony93666 on 2010-09-30 14:00:39

It sounds strange, but I was more excited about the POD HD before I saw the videos, both the one from Premiere Guitar and the ones from Line 6 themselves...

but I haven't played thru it myself yet, so take that for what it's worth.  *shrug*

oh yeah - what was the purpose of signing up our email on the HD page before the release, when we didn't get any email saying "it's here!"?  I mean, it's here, but I didn't get any message - did you?  *shrug again*



Re: hmmmmm.....
by ricksox on 2010-09-30 14:05:19

Just to reiterate, you guys can bring any of your questions over to us here as well.

http://line6.com/community/community/support/pod_support/pod_hd?view=discussions

Line6MIller



Re: hmmmmm.....
by John_BlisterTip on 2010-09-30 14:37:53

Hey guys..its been a while

Anyway I wouldnt be too concerned about the premiere video. I've been watching videos from them forever and many of them are terrible. What I did hear sounded just like the amplifiers--especially the Fireball, JCM800, and the Dual Recto(from the sound clips). The Fireball is about lowend--its suppose to sound a little muddy with the bass cranked.

The med gain amps sound phenomenal. You can hear the tubes grading and spitting. I think people are going to find that these are the most accurate amps on the market--and thats only based on what I heard so far . But from those clips--I guess its a feeling that they went into depth and really did justice to the amp makers instead of just winging it in the ballpark with a generic impression.

What I know I dont like is there is no indepth tweaking of the amp models so if you dont like the particular version of the amp they picked to model your stuck--but Im guessing there will be many more. Its seems obvious that what they wanted to do first was pick the amps that exploited, with attention to versatility, their DT50 poweramp paradigm --which clearly is going to be untouchable based on what I've heard.

Again, their prices are the pinnacle of fairness. I was afraid they would start going into snobby rip off mode with this new stuff.

The true test will be if they solved some of the problems with frequency miss matches. They have always understood what a tube truly sounds like more than any other company but some of the problems that came along with trying to code those tube configurations accurately seem to also cause many models to actually be unusable IMO. I actually think if they tried to be less accurate, and fudge many things, the Pod would have been more usable.(as weird as that sounds)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-30 14:42:00

First off, sorry, I thought you meant you thought Line6 had leaked it when you meana distributor. Second, my mistaken statement doesn't automatically mean I'm "taking his words and twisting them for my purposes". What I did was take his words and mistakenly twisted them. The "for my purposes" is not very nice. Particularly since I don't have a history here for being a jerk. Please google my username so you can see my conversations at thestompbox.net. I NEVER cause problems. I'm also at digitech.com and their cheapo forums. Please don't jump the gun. I'm a very respectful member here and wherever.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maquinas on 2010-09-30 15:52:31

Hi , where is the cab and mic??? no info on what cab or mic is available , or i miss something



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by dylantan on 2010-09-30 16:08:02

The manual's out and so is the HD500 Edit manual.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by maquinas on 2010-09-30 16:25:17

ok thank you , there is less cab but more mic options , can't wait to ear how it sound , if fizz still there somewhere



Re: hmmmmm.....
by nuser101 on 2010-09-30 16:38:26

I listened to the samples and agree that there's been a step change improvement. They sound good, no argument.

My only issue, and I must be a loner on this, because no company addresses it, and I've never heard user complaints about it, is this. Is it an amp model if it only models one mode? I just don't get that. Most modern amps were designed to be used in two channel mode, and many players use them exactly that way.

Anyway, I've gotten back to more of an effects only performance mode because of that issue, and it's funny, because I don't even use a two channel amp. I just dump some stomps in front of a 1969 Twin Reverb, and I'm happy. However, if I were ever to do some serious recording (and I don't right now), this HD series would make the short list, along with the Axe.

Again, I thought the sounds were a true step change up from the xt/x3 series, which I thought were very similar.



Re: hmmmmm.....
by phil_m on 2010-09-30 16:57:06

Regarding the modeling of two channel amps, I always just assumed that they probably thought that most people would use amp models known for awesome cleans for their clean-ish tones and amp models known for great high gain tones for their dirt sounds.  Two channel amps have always been sort of a compromise, anyway, haven't they?  Are there really that many two channel amps where both channels sound great?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 17:21:54

mannydingo wrote:

What I did was take his words and mistakenly twisted them. The "for my purposes" is not very nice. Particularly since I don't have a history here for being a jerk

You're right, and I apologize.



Re: hmmmmm.....
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 17:26:14

phil_m wrote:

Are there really that many two channel amps where both channels sound great?

I have three multichannel tube amps (not counting the DT50 head) where all the channels sound great.  Mesa 5:50 Express combo where both channels and all four modes sound wonderful.  Marshall TSL100 where all three channels sound great.  And my Fryette Sig:X where all three sound freakin fantastic.  I could go on with ones I don't own but have tried.  True, there are a bunch of amps out there where only one or two channels sound good and the other doesn't, but I figure...why buy it if it doesn't?



Re: hmmmmm.....
by nuser101 on 2010-09-30 17:30:46

I've seen quite a few musicians take advantage of both channels of a Lonestar, especially in Vegas. Drop by that town sometime. There's a wide array of them on stages out there.



Re: hmmmmm.....
by phil_m on 2010-09-30 17:36:46

Well, I understand that.  I mean, I play a two channel amp most the time, too.  I think both channels are good, although I'm on the clean most of the time.  My point was does the clean channel on those amps sound better or that different than the cleans you could get from one of the amp models known for their cleans?  It just seems to me that there would be a lot of redundancy in modeling both channels on those amps.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-09-30 17:39:47



Re: hmmmmm.....
by nuser101 on 2010-09-30 17:43:45

I hear what you're saying, but there's something about intonation and breath of an amp that stays consistent across channels.  A different amp for clean vs grit sounds out of place to my ears, as if the clean channel is too dark and the grit is too bright, or vice versa.

Anyway, I agree that I'm in the minority as far as thinking this way. It's a good thing I've found a set up I'm happy with it, or GAS would ignite and propel me beyond my marriage!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pcaudell on 2010-09-30 18:46:42

Your right why not talk about it



Re: hmmmmm.....
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-09-30 20:53:52

phil_m wrote:

Well, I understand that.  I mean, I play a two channel amp most the time, too.  I think both channels are good, although I'm on the clean most of the time.  My point was does the clean channel on those amps sound better or that different than the cleans you could get from one of the amp models known for their cleans?  It just seems to me that there would be a lot of redundancy in modeling both channels on those amps.

Ah, gotcha there, Phil.  Yeah, that makes sense.  Do we really need the clean channel from a recto, a Marshall, and a Twin?  Well, maybe.  But I think maybe the others were talking about the gain channels.  Of course, some "clean" channels can produce really nice crunch too.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by anthonylv64 on 2010-10-01 01:01:17

Is it just me? or the Sound clips they have for the new POD HD sound like total crap, almost useless, with the exception of maybe a couple of clean sounds and I think, a crunchy one, everything else is loaded with excessive effects, sounds like a 70's Sci Fi movie. Nobody plays that crap, nobody needs the robotic garbage or the stupid synth patches. I was expecting samples that would show a nice cranked Plexi Tone, or a usable Metal lead, or a nice crunch like the Rolling Stones. I know we can add other effects later, but honestly, after hearing those samples, I'm totally turned off by this new unit. I don't know what the hell to expect. And what about some IR's or the capability to load some IR's, Everybody is using Impulse Response, even the Digitech GSP 1101 that came out a few years ago, is capable of loading IR's from 3rd parties. C'mon Line6, can you guys, at least, re-record some decent patches and show something that we can use in the real life?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-01 01:32:46

Hi Phil, I think you should just get out and check one out yourself, personally I think the samples sound pretty good, but of course you can't cover all sounds in just a few clips, the same is for all effects/modelers out there, I mostly listen to some sound clips to have an overview of what's possible and I feel it's much better, much more depth then previous PODs. I'm already very happy with my current PODfarm2 setup (just sold my X3 live) and am sure this will blow away most of the modelers I tried out so far. I can't wait to get mine ... gotta call Thomann again, as they said they would ship today ;)

As for IR's personally I don't care too much, I have way too few time and prefer to play guitar instead of playing doctor, I let that to the guys at L6

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-01 02:39:34

... and Thomann didn't recieve anything yet, LOL, well shouldn't be long now



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by GerhardHa on 2010-10-01 04:12:10



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by OverDriven on 2010-10-01 09:44:57

Sounds terrible in tha vid. That said, sausage fingers up there doesn't even know how to play guitar, so I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. I doubt he knows how to dial a good tone.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-10-01 10:03:14

So we finally get an email notification.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-01 11:32:06

OverDriven, that's kinda insulting ... the guy is just demoing the tool, he didn't say he was Jimi Hendrix ... and the sound isn't that bad on the vid, maybe not your taste.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by anthonylv64 on 2010-10-01 14:39:41

This video, even though is just a you tube video, (lower quality), sounds a thousand times better that the promo sound clips that Line 6 posted, I don't think the player is trying to impress anybody, he is just playing simple chords to demo the unit. This is what I mean by "real life" tones, not the garbage synth-robot-microwave-laser-space-crap that Line 6 posted with the annoying surreal reverbs that nobody would put on a track. Please Line 6, I beg you, have someone program some decent patches, that would sit on a regular song, on a regular track, and it would sound closer to the model you are cloning, like the amp sitting in somebody's studio, ready to record a track.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-10-01 14:56:04

Very sensible post there, Anthony. However, I beg Line6 to do some demos pluging the HD into a P.A. and a microphone some distance away and play some mid and high gain patches just before you hit metal tones. I want to hear how much fizz comes through for playing FRFR live. Don't lower the treble to where it sounds dull in order to cover up the fizz either.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Gunner1 on 2010-10-01 20:52:14

I've been searching for an answer to a couple ofPOD HD questions I have and have not found any answers.  There may well be no answers yet but here goes:

1)  How much are the POD HD 300, 400, and 500 in US dollars?

2)  Is there any kind of HD amp and effect download for my POD X3 Live?  It is only about 2 years old and I like it but would sure like these new HD models.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mikey1 on 2010-10-02 17:32:04

As a long time Line 6 user, I'd have to report the company generated tones on typical releases are notoriously bad.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-04 05:13:05

Just recievd confirmation fromp Thomann that my HD500 shipped today, should recieve it in a few days, so it's available now!

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-10-04 05:22:47

Sweet...and early too (I see Line6 has October 8th as the release date).  Gratz.  Keep us posted.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-04 05:29:59

Yup, I just received the confirmation as well. Shipping usually takes 2 days so bring on wednesday!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by beaverboy on 2010-10-04 05:37:06

i bought a hd500 friday, the new pod sounds great with some tweaking i just did a multi track recording of its Marshall jcm800



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-10-04 06:05:14

Nice video...where did you find your HD500 at?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-04 06:17:44

Nice video! From listening, I found it to sound very familliar to what I obtain with my Amp Farm 2 plugins right now but maybe with more defined bottom, I gues it's more in the playing and response you feel things are different ?

cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-10-04 06:30:25

Nice to finally hear some 'real' sounds - thanks Beaverboy.

My big question is whether the improvement over my heavily tweaked X3L is really enough to justify the outlay.  I can't help but feel that it is better to wait 6 months fo a couple of reasons.

1) Initial bugs will be ironed out

2) The initial glut of X3L's on to the second hand market will have subsided

3) It will be clear(er) what the future holds for the HD range as far as new amp models, pod farm, etc. is concerned - and importantly if any of these will be FOC, or sold as packs.

Keep the reviews and demo's coming please!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Texxxxx on 2010-10-04 07:20:18

I see the HD 400 has a 'FX Only' button that cuts out the amp modeling and only allows the effects to work.  I don't see a similar button on the HD 500.  How do you remove the amp modeling on the HD 500 and retain the effects only?  Remove the amp from the chain?

Thanks....



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sonnyducks on 2010-10-04 07:30:05

Have you guys downloaded the editors for the HD floor units yet?  I tried them out over the weekend and was a little disappointed in the 300.  You have 4 effect slots but are someone limited in what effects you can have in each slot.  There was 1 slot reserved for overdrive/distortion, one for modulation, and another for reverb and delay.  Mind you I only played around with it for about 15 minutes but I didn't see a way where you could have 2 effects from the same family on the same patch  (chorus and flange for example).

I downloaded the editor for the 500 and there you just have effect blocks where you can put anything anywhere.

Again, I only messed around with it for a little while so maybe I missed something and I've not tried the 400 yet.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-10-04 07:43:31

there are even a handful of effects in the 300 slots that don't seem to fit the categories perfectly...

it was all very intentional, because the 300/400's don't have user managed DSP abilities the effects are

situated in such a way as to have no DSP issues....

the amp models etc are the same as the 500... but we all knew that the 300/400 would be limited in some ways....

think about it in terms of value... i still think that the 300/400 are pretty nice....

even though i'm aiming for the 500 due to the Variax input mostly...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-10-04 07:57:54

Here's osme additional soundclips from Horst Keller made with POD HD

http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=144#1117

regads

- Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-04 08:06:36

Hm, thanks for those, but I must admit I'm not hearing that much difference with my own Amp Farm patches except a better bottom definition, I guess it's a lot in the player experience more then the sound itself, which was already very good with Amp Farm and X3.

BTW what guitar is used for these ? A line 6 variax or normal guitar ?

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-04 08:09:03

Ok, saw the guitar names used on the bottom, interesting ....

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-04 08:10:54

... listening to it again, now it's clear to me that the bottom end that was often muddy and not so good defined, is much better here

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by anthonylv64 on 2010-10-04 19:30:17

That sound great Beaverboy, and the playing is awesome too. I guess Line 6 will leave it to the users to come out with these patches and promote the product, because if it's up to Line 6, they won't bother doing it. I won't be a "sacrificial lamb" and jump into buying their product anymore, until I see more of these videos first. Thanks Beaverboy



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by GerhardHa on 2010-10-06 01:16:14

he used this one (*sick*)  http://www.prsguitars.com/hiland/index.html

why not a REAL Fender/Gibson...

instead of a real guitar a "nor flesh or fish guitar" for testing...

http://www.line6forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=10527&start=300



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Slingy on 2010-10-06 01:27:39

Maybe he used the PRS because that's the guitar he owns. A very respectful name in guitars.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by HKR2004 on 2010-10-06 15:05:10

Hi Guys,

i used the PRS because it was the only Humbucker Guitar I had at home and because the guys in the gearpage forum mainly asked to hear some High Gain Models.  The Hiland PRS is the most versatile guitar I own (the best one also) and it can do quite good renditions of Gibson and Fender sounds.

The Gilmour file is played with a Custom Strat.  I've got some other guitars but not at home. (Musicman Luke, 3 Strats)

An overview of my POD HD 500 Soundclips:

Tweed_B-Man_Screamer.mp3 (3.85 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42259812...amer.mp3?bin=1

Satchfile_POD_HD500.mp3 (4.05 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42317337...D500.mp3?bin=1
with track:
http://www.filedropper.com/horstsatch2

Mesa_Recto_POD_HD500.mp3 (4.02 MB))
http://rapidshare.com/files/42318631...D500.mp3?bin=1

JTM-45_POD_HD500.mp3 (9.87 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42314923...D500.mp3?bin=1

JCM_800_POD_HD500.mp3 (3.37 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42260510...D500.mp3?bin=1

Hiwatt_Tube_Driver_POD_HD500.mp3 (4.40 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42296179...D500.mp3?bin=1

ENGL_PODHD500.mp3 (3.62 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42260085...D500.mp3?bin=1

Brit_P-75_POD_HD500.mp3 (5.48 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42278892...D500.mp3?bin=1

Bogner Ueberschall_POD_HD500.mp3 (6.34 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/42289126...D500.mp3?bin=1

Divided by 9/15
http://rapidshare.com/files/423356145/Divided_by_13_POD_HD500.mp3?bin=1 

Rock on
Horst

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575557800



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by glenneke on 2010-10-07 10:07:17

I was able to hear one of the soundclip's, other than that i had to wait for another 9minutes. After that it went from O back up keeping upward's, and i gave up!!!

WAITING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by aaron__aardvark on 2010-10-07 22:40:58

HKR,

I listened to the Satch clip.  Sounds good, but a bit ear-piercing at times (I'm sensitive to that sort of thing); but perhaps it would sit well in a mix of bass & drums, etc.  Ditto for the JCM 800 clip.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by HKR2004 on 2010-10-08 04:30:05

Here you can hear it in the mix: http://www.filedropper.com/horstsatch2

Cheers

Horst



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by quintank on 2010-10-08 05:20:26

So....sitting here on the morning of the 8th....can't find the HD 500 to buy anywhere...was it delayed?  or am I just too early in the morning?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Swampmans on 2010-10-09 00:32:51

I just ordered my Pod HD500 from American Musical Supply. I talked to one of the reps there and he told me as of 2am 10/9/10 they had 30 of the HD 500's in stock so there are 29 left lol better hurry



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by guitarozman on 2010-10-09 01:46:00

Does anyone know the power specs and if a pod x3 live psu willbwork .



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Mr_Arkadin on 2010-10-09 01:48:40

The HDs are DC, previous Line 6 kit has been AC.



Re: Interesting review of POD HD 500
by Dyonisos2005 on 2010-10-11 12:53:32

Found it at Amazon:  http://www.amazon.com/Line-6-POD-HD-500/product-reviews/B003OUX8ZM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

It reinforces my decision to get one of these HD 500s, while pointing out a few minor limitations.

I'm tempted to write a new blues tune (when I get the HD500) called "The Fizz is Gone".



Re: Interesting review of POD HD 500
by mannydingo on 2010-10-11 14:21:20

Unfortunately, there is no fizz in blues songs. The gain never has to go that high in your typical blues song. It's in hard classic rock and early heavy metal that you get that. I'm sure some newer high gain music too. I'm not talking death metal or anything like that, as examples, where ultra-high gain is involved. There's so much gain wanted for that that the fizz may even be welcome.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by beaverboy on 2010-10-12 02:34:23

the hd500 is great. its fast becoming my go to modeler. i did this  multitrack recording with it a few days ago hope ya like it. I'm working on another one right now should be ready in a few days



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by GerhardHa on 2010-10-12 04:57:39
Info on POD HD v POD XT, X3, and Axe-FX DSP chips
Doing some research on this. A couple of owners have opened up their new POD HD 500s to see whats being used, and how the internal construction is. The processor is a major factor here.

This is the findings:

POD HD DSP: SHARC ADSP-21369 at 333 MHz (KSZ-2A), 2.4 GFLOPS

POD X3 DSP: SHARC ADSP-21369 at 266 MHz (KSZ-1A), 1.6 GFLOPS

POD XT DSP: at 60 MHz, 180 MFLOPS

Axe-FX (Standard) DSP: TigerSharc at 500MHz, 3.0GFLOPS

Axe-FX (Ultra) DSP: TigerSHARC at 600MHz 4.0GFLOPS

However - So looking at this chart, the 21369 rating of 400MHz is a maximum rating for the fastest in the family of processors?

And: No. The -2A is what determines the speed.

1A = 266, 2A = 333, 3A = 350, 4A = 400. The letters determine the package type. KSZ is just the markings for a KSWZ package (208 quad flat-pack).

So – actually the POD HDs use the 333MHz chip despite the 400 Mhz clain in some parts (hence Ive given the correct rating in this post).

The Axe-FX TigerSHARC is still leaps and bounds better than the L6 SHARC chip (the SHARC family is the "budget" processor, while the TigerSHARC family is the no price concern best you can make family).

Retail, the L6 chip is $30 against the Axe-FX $200.



While this isnt in itself a "so the POD HD isnt anywhere near the Axe-FX" - (which it isnt ) but more of an interest thing. The processor inthe X3 and HD is the same processor family, the only difference is the speed. 333 MHz v 266 MHx. Not 10x the power L6 have claimed.

Make of it what you will.

http://www.musicradar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=831887


Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-10-12 05:30:51

I don't believe Line 6 ever claimed the processor in the HD line had ten times the power as the X3.  They did say, however, that the HD amp models contain 10X the information as the earlier amp models.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by travisvwright on 2010-10-12 05:36:43

Yes you misunderstood, go back and rewatch.  The DSP engineer actually said, "a little more oomph."  The 10 times was referencing the detail of the model not the power of the chip.  He does say, "10 times more processing".  But it is in refernce to the detail of models not to the hardware.

If you do the basic math claiming to have a 10 times better chip would be caliming to be 4 times better than the Axe Ultra.  Obviously no one seriously claimed that.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-12 06:03:52

The CPU used is really not important imho, what counts is what's in the box and how it sounds, and it sounds VERY good! I think people who bought the AXE FX will always want to argue (just like people want to orgue that a MAC is better then a PC) that their 4x expensive rack is so much better then the HD500, while actually it all comes down to what you do with it period.

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-10-12 06:09:55

The 10x more processing comment was made by Andy from Line 6 in a Premier Guitar demo ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-C7TbcEglY .. a simple mistake.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by travisvwright on 2010-10-12 06:15:08

That's the video I was refering to, and I don't agree it was a mistake.  He said, "10 times more processing".  You can do a "Billion times more processing" on the same chip.  The amount of processing to be done has no bearing on the power of the chip.  Others have said HD has, "10 time more detail in the amp models".  Same thing while still making no claims on hardware specs.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by phil_m on 2010-10-12 06:20:21

Exactly.  The exact processor specs aren't nearly as important as what you're doing with what's available.

BTW, does anyone else think the Line 6 guy in that video was the lead singer of the Crash Test Dummies?  Anyone else remember that band?  :-)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Swampmans on 2010-10-12 06:22:41

Well said Hans . The Axe-Fx is a fine unit I have never played one but like most have heard the clips.The thing with the Axe-Fx is it's price tag. A large percent of players just can't afford to spend $1500 to $ 2000 dollars on a piece of gear. I have owned just about every guitar processor out there. I think Line 6 is trying to give us better gear for a reasonable price that a big percentage of players can afford. Mine is on order and I should have it soon. From what I have heard to me it sounds better than previous models. I think we should have an A/B test of the X3L & The HD that would be the test so people could here the improvement between the two.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by timothybaugh on 2010-10-12 06:32:58

It's really not worth arguing about. I can see why people got confused - he should have said that Line 6's new advanced tools allow the HD range to process ten times more information for a realistic tone on a cost-effective processor .. blah blah blah. We could then have had fun at the expense of the Axe-FX guys who have to spend more money on advanced chips to run Fractal's bloatware ... [this is meant to be humouress] ... didn't stop me buying an HD 500 ...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-12 07:45:28

Swampmans, I had the X3L and now the HD500, and I can say you that there is a BIG improvement, the overal definition is so much better, better low end as well, it's just not comparable for me. Actually it's so good that I might switch my gig setup with just the HD500 and two RCF PA's instead of carrying my tube amp.

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Swampmans on 2010-10-12 09:29:19

Thanks for the reply Hans. Sounds good to me can't wait to get mine and hook it up . Have a great day cuz and keep rocking hell yeah !



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by idbedave on 2010-10-12 09:39:16

Can someone who has one tell me if this case would fit the hd500 well?

http://www.dcmusicstore.com/Pedalboard-hard-case-24-inch

Don't want a bag, need a hard case. I think the doghouse this has for cables might be handy, what do you think?

Dave



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Dyonisos2005 on 2010-10-12 10:17:24

Yea, my old band covered their greatest hit during the late 90's. I forget the name of the song...

(crash test dummies, that is)



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Slingy on 2010-10-12 10:23:35

Even Wierd Al covered one of their songs.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Gitaristje_118 on 2010-10-12 15:05:48

But the big question for me is. Does it stand out on stage?

Because previous modelers had the tendency to disappear in the mix while playing live.

Is this no longer the case with the new POD HD?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thecrimsonrabbit on 2010-10-13 06:31:56

But the big question for me is. Does it stand out on stage?

Because previous modelers had the tendency to disappear in the mix while playing live.

That is truly the question. The XT Live didn't have the dynamics to get through the mix, and it always sounded overly compressed to me. Even after I bypassed and killed all the compression (which helped), it still had that feel to it. I sold it and bought the Boss ME70. I've always regretted jumping ship on L6 like that because I would die without my Duoverb, and I love my Crunchtone, but the Boss just plain sounds better. I'm hoping the 500 will bring me back to L6.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Texxxxx on 2010-10-13 17:16:39

Well Done!!!!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-10-13 20:04:37

GerhardHa wrote:

While this isnt in itself a "so the POD HD isnt anywhere near the Axe-FX" - (which it isnt

I will respectfully disagree with you on this point.  Former Axe-Fx user here.  Sold it after I got my HD.  The HD is close enough, at least from a raw tone standpoint, to where I can't justify the extra $1500+accessories.  In My Opinion, of course.

The Axe is still a damn fine unit.  No disagreement there.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by stumpsout on 2010-10-13 22:45:29

Thanks for sharing your experience

I have pre-ordered and am gassing all over myself already..you just blew the lid off things, man!



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by hansvaneven on 2010-10-14 00:47:20

The HD500 is fantastic, a friend checked mine over the weekend and bought one right away (and he's usually very picky about sounds etc), unfortunately the one he got was defective (footswitch missing + screw that was flying around in the chassis), but I hope that's an isolated case ... mine seems to work very well, no issues so far.

Cheers,

Hans



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by johneek on 2010-10-14 04:07:48

I have a question I hope someone can answer.  I've got a XT Live.  I was originally looking to replace it with an X3 to take advantage of my PRS HBII with a Piezo because of the dual input capability.  I held off because I heard the HD500 was coming.  Here is my question.  I know the X3 can handle the dual inputs with the pups through an amp model and the piezo through an acoustic pre-amp model.  Can the HD 500 do something comparable?  Can I get an acoustic sound out of the piezo, or an I stuck with running it through one of the 16 electric amp models?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-10-14 05:25:06

johneek wrote:

I have a question I hope someone can answer.  I've got a XT Live.  I was originally looking to replace it with an X3 to take advantage of my PRS HBII with a Piezo because of the dual input capability.  I held off because I heard the HD500 was coming.  Here is my question.  I know the X3 can handle the dual inputs with the pups through an amp model and the piezo through an acoustic pre-amp model.  Can the HD 500 do something comparable?  Can I get an acoustic sound out of the piezo, or an I stuck with running it through one of the 16 electric amp models?

Yes.

On both counts.  The 500 has guitar, aux, mic, and variax inputs just like the X3L.  At the moment, there aren't mic preamp or piezoacoustic amp models available, but common sense dictates that Line6 included those inputs with the idea of putting them to good use in the future.

But for right now, you'd be stuck running the acoustic into a guitar amp model.  Try the AC30 on low gain or even the Twin, maybe without cab models.  Both will get nice results.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thecrimsonrabbit on 2010-10-14 05:41:25

Karl,

Will the aux input function as a second input for guitar? In other words, can I run this in the stereo out/in effects loop of my duoverb, while still keeping the left/right models of the amp separate?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-10-14 06:33:24

thecrimsonrabbit wrote:

Will the aux input function as a second input for guitar?

Yes



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by pchapple on 2010-10-14 07:07:33

My big question is linked to this.

I bought my X3L earlier this year and it came with all the bells and whistles - Pod Farm2, all the amp packs, vocals, bass, etc.  I am considering going to the HD, as I'm still not totally happy with the X3L, especially for tube drive 'sweet and smooth' blues type tones.

What isn't clear though is if any add-ons to make use of MIC input, add AMPs for acoustic, add effects, etc. will just be free firmware updates, or charged as add-on 'packs'.

This has a big effect on my decision, as I don't want to be stuck in 6 months thinking I need to fork out 100quid for a 'vocals pack', or'acoustic pack, 'bass pack', 'extra 10 amps pack', etc.  I'm already going to loose a good chunk on my 'mint condition' X3L.

Anyone got a heads up on the Line6 strategy in this regard?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thecrimsonrabbit on 2010-10-14 07:14:48

Karl,

Thank you for the response. Are you familiar with the Duoverb? (Not everyone is, sadly. One of the best things to ever roll out of L6.) It uses separate amp models for left and right channels, giving 2 amps at the same time, from different sides of a 4x12 stereo cab. You can blend them for a mono cab, but that doesn't sound nearly as fat and nice. So my question is, will I have to create 2 distinct effects chains in the 500 to keep the channels separate, or are all of the effects stereo even if you're only using, say, one tube screamer?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Guitarathome on 2010-10-14 19:42:19

I Think that Line 6 may have left out the preamps for vocals, acoustic, ... to help clear the inventory of x3s. They put a mic input in the HD with no preamp surely they will through us that bone.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Crusty_Old_Rocker on 2010-10-14 19:50:32

Don't be put off by the fact that the HD500 only had guitar amp models.

There is a patch called Acoustic Air that uses the Tube Compresor and EQ to simulate an acoustic gutiar amp.  I personally like the Acoustic Air patch, it's one of my favourites.

Cheers,

Crusty



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Crusty_Old_Rocker on 2010-10-14 20:05:18

thecrimsonrabbit wrote:

Are you familiar with the Duoverb? (Not everyone is, sadly. One of the best things to ever roll out of L6.) It uses separate amp models for left and right channels, giving 2 amps at the same time, from different sides of a 4x12 stereo cab. You can blend them for a mono cab, but that doesn't sound nearly as fat and nice. So my question is, will I have to create 2 distinct effects chains in the 500 to keep the channels separate, or are all of the effects stereo even if you're only using, say, one tube screamer?

As a Vetta II owner I am very familiar with the DuoVerb concept.

With the HD500, it is similar to the Vetta II in that you can have two separate channels that are parallel and tap those channels off using a virtual mixer within the unit.  You can pan the paths hard left and hard right to achieve the two signal path option.  You can use the virtual mixer to blend or cross fade the two signal paths or you can place a stereo effect after the mixer that will sum the output from the virtual mixer into the stereo effect which results in a mixed tone with a stereo output based on the effect (e.g., two different amp models mixed together then a ping pong delay applied to that).

So, the HD500 can be mono, stereo based on stereo effects or two discrete signal paths.

But wait, there's more!!!

If you use the HD500 with DT50 amps (4 of them) you can have:

One DT50 as amp A model (with pre effects, no post mixer effects)

One DT50 as amp B model (with pre effects, no post mixer effects)

One DT50 as left channel (summed paths with post stereo effects)

One DT50 as right channel (summed paths with post stereo effects)

When using this scenario, it might be a good idea to use the 1x12 DT50s because the 2x12s are a bit big and heavy.

Cheers,

Crusty



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Crusty_Old_Rocker on 2010-10-14 20:06:38

stevenmcvicker wrote:

They put a mic input in the HD with no preamp surely they will through us that bone.

The Vocoder effect needs a mic input.

Cheers,

Crusty



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by anthonylv64 on 2010-10-15 18:18:30

Does anybody own a Digitech GSP 1101? how does it compare to the new HD500, I've been thinking of selling mine (with Control 2 included) to buy the new HD500, but I'm still not fully convinced.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by rchoueri on 2010-10-15 18:36:40

Picked mine up today from GC Paramus boys n'goils. Also prepaid the DT50 head that'll be here 1st week Nov. My sales rep called me this evening and said he finally got the SKU for the JTV59 that wasn't in the system earlier today. Going back tomorrow afternoon to pay for that, but it won't be in their Kansas warehouse until EOM Nov 2010. That's ok I can wait. Can't get to the HD500 until this weekend just too busy right now, but I'll run it through the paces this weekend through dual Marshall EL34 Poweramps into an array of different speakers. I'll get it ready for the integration with the DT50 in a few weeks. I'll let you all know how it works out.I am really stoked about this entire setup. The unholy trimumvirate if you will ... Cheerio -

BTW saw a really interesting video this week. I really didn't know this cat could sing this good. Nothing quite like some good old fashioned 70s R&B to get the blood moving, but it does make one wonder where do these people get their ideas huh ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YRWhg4YaA

~skygod~



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by guitarest on 2010-10-22 09:54:37

I have read most of this (and other threads) and generally majority of you who have the newer 500 did so to keep up with others etc... I have looked into the 500 and there are a few features that the X3 Live has that have been dropped in the 500. Thus IMO it equals to a huge step backwards in evolution of this product; a few of those features mentioned here in this thread but the removal of the boost function in the upper right hand of the X3 Live is a serious mistake IMO. Now it they put it elsewhere; flame away and correct me.

I own way too many Line6 products (although I'm sure they feel its not enough; lol) and have watched the gradual jump from products to products. From the first amps to the XT Live (I still own) and it was a great unit. When the X3 live was released it was a huge jump in many ways from models, latency issues being less noticeable, even got used to using Gearbox vs Line6 edit to program the unit. IMO the new 500HD is not enough of a jump in samples or feature to warrant a new purchase. Many of the specs are the same or a little better; is it $ 499.00 better; not in my homes it is not.

I use my X3 Live for gigs; although its mainly used in recording and thats where this unit shines. Did the X3 have too many models vs the 16 in the new HD; I don't know. In fact I don't even use 20% of the X3's ability live or recording; truth be told since buying the new Marshall JMD-1 half stack I dont even use the X3 except for recording. I use only 1.5 banks in my X3 Live. Each has the modulation and delays already set to my choosing but turned off. From bank 18A - 18D my X3 is configured like a 4 channel amp that has "A" being a sparkly Fenderish clean and "D" being a highly distorted heavy metal tone with scooped mids. 18B/C and different levels of distortion so the entire gig can be played from one of the 4 selections and the best feature of the X3 Live is the boost feature and I use it as that; its configured as off and when I jump into a lead its turned on and a extra umph is is added to the gain thus pushing my tone over the band for my attempts at playing lead.

Truth be told I only know what I have read about the HD; hear and elsewhere on the net and I might buy one one day just not any time soon. I am perfectly happy with my X3 and all its options that Line6 has either felt not important or left out due to a "OOPS" we forgot. The other two patches are 19A/B and are set up in regards to my love of Pink Floyd and David G's use of delays



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-10-22 10:30:53

guitarest wrote:


there are a few features that the X3 Live has that have been dropped in the 500. Thus IMO it equals to a huge step backwards in evolution of this product;

If you haven't played one yet, I think what you'll find is that this version of the POD is a huge step forward.  All the bells and whistles in the world don't mean jack if the tone isn't there.  And it's there in the HD much more than it was in any previous POD.  Effects are top notch too.

the removal of the boost function in the upper right hand of the X3 Live is a serious mistake IMO. Now it they put it elsewhere; flame away and correct me.

Actually, you can put that boost whereever you want it in the signal chain, and assign it to whatever switch you like.  That's the beauty of it.  Flexibility.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by silverhead on 2010-10-22 10:57:36

guitarest wrote:

........

I use my X3 Live for gigs; although its mainly used in recording and thats where this unit shines.......

That's right - the X3 is still a more flexible studio/recording device. I own both an X3L and an HD400, and I've kept my X3L for those reasons. But the HD is, in the opinion of most (not all) users - myself included - far superior in its sound/modelling quality. It is designed primarily for live play using electric guitars and in that regard it outshines the X3. So it depends on what you want - but I wouldn't compare the X3 and the HD and say that features have been 'left out'. The HD wasn't designed (at least not the initial release) to replace the X3. Some of the HD pre-release hype on this forum created that impression, despite Line 6's attempts to say otherwisewhile not yet being able to officilly comment. Reading between the lines in the pre-release hype it was pretty clear that the HD was not going to be a simple evolution of an existing product - it was and is a brand new technology.

So I don't think it's a step backwards at all. It's a huge step forward in sound quality. I also think only the first step has been taken and future product upgrades and enhancements will truly make it an X3 replacement - but it's not there yet.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Gitaristje_118 on 2010-10-22 14:53:33

Exactly.

So, anybody used it live yet?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-10-22 15:21:28

I used my Hd400 and DT50 last Friday for the first time live...I have performed with an AX2, Spider 2 120, Flextone3xl, SV mk1, xtl & xt bean over the years...this is the best stuff yet IMO.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-10-22 15:41:01

I agree with you that the recorded tone of X* hardware sounds pretty incredible...the thing that has really astounded me about the HD is not the recorded tone...it's the feel of the dynamics it has when I am playing the HD...this is even apparent to me using only cans...the only other line6 product line that has this "feel" are the SVs...anyway, that is stellar improvement in my view...it's a subtle thing, but dynamics are an important thing to me why I have used the amps almost exclusively since I came to using Line6. my xt bean I have "was" only for a live spare and some recording. I have also used it when I do shows with provided backline. up to now there was no way I would use a pod live as a first choice...the feel dynamics thing is really hard to put into words...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by myconsumerclub on 2010-10-23 15:19:46

I've noticed a lack of a warblematic in the HD units and was wondering if there are other fx not in the HD that were in the x series units?

Has anyone noticed any other abnormalities when comparing the 2 lines.

Also very important is it possible to set more foot switches to changing patches kind of like other 12 button footswitches on the market were they have the option to control individual fx or serve as preset change switches. I need the ability to switch between 10 presets and am considering the GSP1101 for that reason and because it can have 3 footpedals for controlling vol wah and pitch plus another 3 switched using an optional 3 button footswitch which is enough to allow me to have a few extra fx switches. They can control other units from what I hear so it could serve as a main processor to allow me to add an HD at a later date using the FX loop also. Plus it now has the ability to add 3rd party IR's for speaker sims and use Lexican reverbs. I could add that by going into my computer from the HD though using plugin applications though it would likely add some latency, but I already have some lexicon reverbs in Sonar. If there was a way to make the switches operate in order to control switching between 10 presets I would prefer that and might consider the HD over the GSP1101. Also if that special amp hook up connection could link in an extra foot controller to add more switches and pedals that would really be cool. Something like another 10 switches and a couple foot pedals and maybe even additional processing power with the ability to use third party plugins and IR's.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by rchoueri on 2010-10-23 16:38:10

Anthonylv64

I’m a long time digitech user. I still have the 2101A that’s still in a guitar preamp rack, and VGS 2120 that’s still in a studio Hartke 200 bass head rack. I never used the front ends of these rather only used the rear imputs for L/R wet EFX for guitar and bass.

The 2101A was very 80s wet guitar vibe at 16 bit. The VGS 2120 is at 20 bit and has very cool delays and reverbs for bass guitar as well. The obvious problem with all of these was the preamps and how the MFG forced the EQ on the user. Same with the ADA guy who designed the MP1, MP2 stuff …

But my old 5150s DI’d into the 2101A out into a power amp made a really really nice wet L/R because the 5150 was so huge and fat to start with. Same with bass into punchy dry 10in center speakers and DI the head out into the VGS 2120 the L/R thru Mosvalve 500 amps into Peavey BW HIGH OUTPUT 1x15s. Really cool live and studio vibe.

For fun a couple 3-4 months back I bought the Digitech 1000 floor board thingy. Same exact sound engine as the 1101 rack unit. Boy what a pain in the butt. You need a darned PhD in advanced guitar geekdom to operate this thing. Sent it back to ZZounds the very next day.

Now then having said that the GSP 1101 is a 24 bit sound engine upgrade and actually sounds very nice. But the preamp is still 'old school' any way you look at it and you're stuck with that modality if you will. The same with my Rocktron ‘Egnater built preamp’ Prophesy II and ‘Rocktron designed’ EFX engine, but it is actually more transparent EFX wise that any other MFG when running a dedicated preamp like a JMP1 or Rockmaster or Fish or IE4 or whatever DI into it's rear end bypassing the front built in preamp and using the EFX solely for wet L/R. They are really excellent.  But its still "old school" modality and design.

Caveat: I will never get rid of any of these prehistoric 20th century pieces by any stretch of the imagination. They will always have their uses for me anyways in my world.

Now then, this [HD500 -- DT50 --JTV Variax] schema if you will is an OPEN-ENDED system architecture that covers all the bases of all previous MFGs who just didn't have the vision to get from guitar to preamp to amp output doen RIGHT as a SYSTEM..

I am not saying these are bug free as of 10/23/2010, and its gonna take some time to work out all the software glitches in programming the HD300-500 or DT50s or the new Variax software, but this will all be smoothed out over time with good user feedback.

Bro, you are either gonna buy into the hybrid architecture i.e., the AxeFx and high end controller and use your own power amps and cabs for live and studio work, or buy into this as a self-contained intermarried and designed system from the ground up to power stage output and still have the option of going hybrid.

Both systems are GREAT! In my case I have chosen the latter: HD500-JTV59-DT50, but will still be eclectic and still use my Marshall EL34 50/50 power amps, and Lexicon rack EFX and TCE2290 for the wet L/R just because I want to and I CAN! And if I still want to incorporate my Keeley modded fav OD/DIST pedals and my Carl Martin Compressor and my modded 535Q Wah at the front end I CAN.

What sold me on the system was the integration and the upgrade of the JT Variax and its models, and the upgrade to the HD and DT sound engine and reduction of previous L6 models.

Now here's where I'M ALREADY royally pissed off. I paid for the POD Farm 2.0 upgrade after I paid the $234 USD or something like that for the entire POD enchilada to use with REASON-RECORD that I just upgraded to 5 and 1.5 BTW, and Line6 just took a royal faaking dump on me by not even letting me access POD2 when the HD500 is connected via USB.  NOT RECOGNIZED!!!! That means that I am forced to use a guitarport to use my POD2 software. How faaaked up is that Line6 huh? All the hours I spent programmed it was for naught that I could have imported all the dual tones into the HD500 software and tweaked that. Thx Line 6 ya brainiacs!

Folks were not there yet by any stretch of the imagination. But I have bought into this new marvelous L6/Bogner/JTyler architecture and I'm gonna stick with it for a while to see how it blooms. Just like a mix at a real mixer...it's gotta bloom out ... knowwhaddImean? Huh? ~fuggedaboudit!~

Does that mean I will ever desert my real PTP plexis and PTP twins and the likes?  Heck NO

Does that mean I will ever desert my real Archtops, and Les Pauls, and Strats and Teles, and others?  Heck NO

But it does mean that I have something marvelous that is gonna grow with time in capabilities that NO OTHER product to date can even come into the same ball park and play with in that baseball league? HeckYeah

Hey Those are my thoughts. So back to your statement: RE: GSP 1101. My question to you is:

DUDE: WHY SELL IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?  Keep the goddamned thing because you'll find use for it later.

Get the HD500 or DT50 or JTV or whatever tickles your feet. Or wait until all the bugs are worked out then dive in. Either way, methinks it’s the future and guess what? Were all making our futures here in this nice cozy little forum. And those who don't get it? Well …

Let the Digi'Eleven'ers' live on and prosper

and

Let the "AxeFx'ers live on' and prosper

The rest of us HD+DT+JTV'ers we’re gonna take off and get to Pluto somehow .... to the end of the Universe that is the new limit ....

Actually, there are no limits here ...hey but dat’s what I tink. ~fuggedaboudit!~

Later - Be Well - Rock On -

~skygod~



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-10-23 19:35:35

@rchoueri: Everything you said above is just fine with one exception. I have no experience to know what to say. One thing I do have experience in is the current crop of Digitech stuff and I can tell you, the RP1000, in my opinion, is NOT anywhere near difficult to tweak. I'm a dumbo when it comes to tweaking and find it easy on the 1000. You can say that about the GT-10 but not the Digitech stuff. Miind you, I've owned the RP500, RP1000 and GSP1101. I did also have the GSP2101 first gen way back then. I have also owned modelers by other manufacturers.

I just listened to the HD at the stoer a few days ago and it has a lot of new and neat stuff. The core tone, however, is the same old modeling at higher gain that's on all these units. I'm talking about going direct which is how I tested it at the store. Of course, YMMV and especially if using it with a guitar amp which I don't ever use. For direct, it's the same fizz I get from Digitech, Boss, Zoom, Line6 and Vox Tonelab. That rasp, fizz, scrape, raspiness going direct is what I want fixed and this unit didn't do it. I had high hopes, though. I hate going the eq/tweak route to eliminate that and lose high end in the process. I've already had all the tips and suggestions I care to hear.

However, the Digitech RP1000 is almost plug n' play. This makes me realize even more how you have to try things for yourself instead of someone taking my opinion or yours to heart. I'm still not giving the HD the axe until I have it home and compare the same amp sim with the same cab sim with the same everything. However, it has to be in an FRFR atmosphere for me.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mofolotopo on 2010-10-24 21:23:26

I did, last night.  I returned it to Guitar Center this morning for a refund.  The amp models do sound better, a little, but nowhere near enough to make up for the decreased functionality.  I use my X3 Live in the studio constantly for guitar, bass, and vocals, and I can't trade two thirds of the functionality for a minor boost in dynamic response. The looper is a nice tool too, but something I'm unlikely to use.

I have no doubt that the goal here is for Line 6 to slowly sell us back functionality on the HD500 that we already have in our X3 Lives, but I for one am not buying it.  I'll shell out the cash to upgrade when they put out a box that's actually a significant upgrade.  As it is I feel like I paid $500 to lose a significant chunk of what I liked about my old processor.  That's why the HD500 I bought is back on the shelf at GC and my X3 Live is not going on Ebay as previously planned.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2010-10-25 00:42:29

tochiro wrote: I did and returned it last night for a refund.


So you did try it FRFR. Good. I've already seen the beginning of the selling of used X3's. I'm going to offer up trades on Craigslist. I've never owned one. I want something that sounds good live to PA. I tried it FRFR at the store and it just wasn't there. It's got new stuff but the core sound is on par with everything else in the price range. That's for me. I know others are feeling a lot of improvement. For what I need, there isn't much  there(harshness in the upper gain area). It can be hidden just fine in recordings but not so easily live.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by rchoueri on 2010-10-25 03:57:03

That's gonna be the tough sell for POD X3 Live and X3PRO Rack users.

Until you marry it with the DT50 and control the output stage, you will probably

not hear the major differences intended. But if the X3 is already doing what you want

then run with it right? Good luck dude -

~skygod~



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Texxxxx on 2010-10-25 06:39:31

spaceatl-

I have been reading your posts for years and really respect your opinion.  You said you used the HD400 with the DT 50 live recently.  Why did you choose the HD400 over the HD500?

thanks....



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2010-10-25 07:08:06

i've never seen any advertisements that said it was a direct replacement for the x3... it's very much not.

it is a next gen guitar processor... and i think it will cover alot of x3 turf over time (speculation)

but i certainly wouldn't throw out the x3 for most users...

advantages: (x-series)

bass

vocal

acoustic

pod farm!

usb outputs

number of amps (although the number is less relevant than the tone spectrum covered)

having stated the obvious... i'll make one last obvious statement...

as a guitar processer alone... the HD line is a massive win over the X series.

personally.... i think that most of the x series advantages can be had with a simple toneport device for the studio side... which certainly doesnt cover all users... but a good many of them....



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-10-25 21:55:44

Well, thank you...I appreciate that...

I am a simple man I guess...Ever since I started using the SVs I have really enjoyed the simple tweaking...I really like my new SV MK2 and the HD400 tweaking menus are very similar and it's comfortable and sound fantastic...a better fit for me...It's nothing new for me...When I bought my Flextone III XL I got pretty serious about the Vetta, but in the end I didn't want a 747...just a King Air if that airplane metaphor makes any sense...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by spaceatl on 2010-10-25 21:57:12

opps...double post...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Texxxxx on 2010-10-26 08:04:28

Thanks, spaceatl...I understand what you mean.  I was leaning to the simpler setup of the HD400, too.  It seems like the HD400 would be easier to use live and the HD500 might be better used in the studio.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by scottcv on 2010-10-29 17:51:02

I haven't been keeping up and just found out about this today.  I don't really wanna read through 33 pages so can someone just answer a simple question?

Can this replace my pod x3?  I have my x3 hooked to my computer and pretty much just use it to record some tunes and jam anymore, I don't gig live anymore.  I guess the part i'm confused about at the moment is that hte x3 is pretty much a stand alone unit as in, i can just hook it up to some powered speakers or to my computer and it will output through the computer speakers.  I don't have to have an amp or a PA system to hook through for the x3.  Is the HD 500 the same or is this just a multi effects pedal that needs an amp or pa.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by anthonylv64 on 2010-10-30 01:27:03

@ Scottcv: Yes, you can connect the POD HD to monitor speakers too, as long as they are  powered speakers, same as the X3; but, if you record bass with it, or do vocals, don't get rid of the X3 yet, because the HD doesn't have any models for bass (unless you consider using the Tweed B-man) and there are not "preamps" for vocals yet. Also, if you use POD farm as a plugin, it will not work with the HD either, yet. And the models sound pretty much the same, slightly betters, some of them, but I, myself made the big mistake of selling the X3, and jumped into the HD. As a new toy, it looked great, nice build, 16 models only, I didn't need any more really, but...I had to return the first one and get another at GC, because I noticed a random "pop" or "click" which I really didn't wanna have during recording, It only did it every once in a while, but still, it was annoying, besides, I was getting a "distortion" not the good one, but some kind of a noise that you only get from digital artifacts, and some king of a "fizz", specially with the British J-800 which is the one I wanted the most.  I got the new one, played it for a couple of days, and I have to admit, I love some of the models, but mostly in a clean setting. When I tried some crunch and high gain, the fizz came back, actually worst that the X3 (that also have that fizz) and the "random click" happened again, just a few times, but enough to made me go to the store and get a full refund. I won't be wasting my time and money on any other modeling device, not even the Axe Fx, at least not for a while, I'm getting great tones out of my Blackstar HT5 with custom made speaker cabs, at least is the tone I like. There are plenty of low wattage tube amps in the market these days, most of them sound really good, and I got my eyes a couple of them, specially the new Vox Lil' Night Train and the Blackstar HT 1 that's coming out in the next few months. I know a lot of people love these digital modelers, and they get great recordings out of them, but I'd rather not waste time tweaking, and "fixing" and fiddling with knobs. That's all I did for the past week, I spent all my time creating tones, and saving, and creating another, and comparing, and I found myself not playing guitar at all, I wished I could get my time back.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jctoth on 2010-10-31 14:23:04
scottcv, I sold the X3L and have not looked back.  The amp models in the HD series are vastly superior to any previous generation.  They actually feel right and respond correctly.  Yes, the HD500 does not have mic preamps or bass amps.  I am sure those will come in time.  The m13 class effects coupled with the new HD amp models make the HD500 way better than the X3 IMHO.

Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by MerlinFL on 2010-12-28 22:22:32

Wow - it seems I got here kinda late, but I do have a POD HD500 that I bought to test drive along with a DT50 2x12 combo, plus I'm a Beta person for the JTV guitars and have a Model 59US.  I thought it best to get ALL the new gear that has been labeled the NEW Flagship series.

I'm still a die hard Vetta user and I never had any problems with either of my two Vax electric model 700s.

However, I do have many observations as every one else has about these various pices of new L6 gear.  My opinions are just that - opinions, not facts.  When I do discuss any piece of gear, I will separate my factual findings from my personal opinions if they either the same or differ.  I also have no problems in writing or speaking what I feel to be where L6 or how L6 is doing with any piece of hardware or software that I've tried or own.

I've got lots of reading to do and if there are things I've found that may not have been already discussed, I'll bring them up.

What I have found to be a problem is getting my computers to have both version of EDIT on it at the same time.  NOT RUNNING at the same time, but just ON the computer at the same time.  What has happened to me is the HD500 EDIT somehow messes up the older EDIT for my Vetta and prevents the older version from "seeing" my Vetta connection as it always has previously.  It DOES work as long as I DO NOT have the NEW EDIT installed.

Am I alone with this??

Take care,

Neal

New "Flagship" gear....  Below - Old Flagship gear....

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Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by gunpointmetal on 2010-12-30 18:35:08

I've been playing Boss modelers live and recording for the last 10 years or so and was on my way to purchase a GT-10 when I decided to plug in the HD 500. I programmed a patch that sounded great, assigned effects to different footswitches, moved some stuff in the chain and figured out how to save the sound into different locations in a matter of ten minutes. It took me two years to do that with any Boss product I've owned. I tried every floor processor L6 did but it never FELT good through an amp until this one. I'd say I have better tones in one week of tweaking than I had in 5 out of 10 of the years I fought with the Boss products. They have thier place, but as a complete modelling/fx solution..not so much. I love the HD series and I can't wait to see what kind of cool updates come down the line.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jhorgejoven on 2011-03-03 19:34:24

A lot of information about HD500. thanks to all of you guys.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by kburdette on 2011-03-18 13:00:58

MerlinFL, this is just a guess, but the installer for the "new" version probably puts everything int he same place and maybe overwrites what was in the folder.

Try installing to a different folder and see if that works..



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thirtyplus on 2011-05-18 09:33:58

Hi all,

First time poster on Line 6. I have a few  questions that I would be grateful if you guys could help me on. I have  sold my Boss ME-50. I want to buy either the Line 6 M13 or Line 6 HD500,  but I am not sure which I want. I have a Fender Blues Deville 4x12 and a Fender Strat as the guts of my main rig.

My main worry about the HD500 is any time lapse between patches (pet hate from the Boss ME-50).

My main worrk about the M13 is switching between scenes on the fly.

I like being able to pre-program sounds into patches but also like the stomp box effects.

I don't foresee using the amp modeling as I have a good tube amp already but maybe that would work well into the Blues Deville?

Please help.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by glideman on 2011-05-19 12:06:02

I can't remember, does the Deville have an effects loop with a level control?  If it does you could REALLY get some good tones from the HD500.  The HD would also be good in the loop just using effects, too.  You would also be able to assign the 8 footswitches plus the expression pedal toe switch to cut effects on/off within one patch.  I love the amp models post 1.31 patch into the power amp of a custom tube head I had built.  I run that into a 4x12 with vintage 30's for large gigs and a 1x12 celestion closed back cab for small clubs.

You can't go wrong with the HD500 because you can use it as a multi effects box OR an all in one into a tube amp or PA.

Just one idiot's humble opinion, and I am not a Line6 homer.  I have had tons of tube amps that my wife did not like to hear the costs of.  I just got converted over to Line6 from a pair of Vox Tonelab SE's (primary and a spare).  Now the Tonelab SE is the spare and the HD500 is the Optimus Prime!  I'm very picky and this box has been great for me.  Just don't listen to the stock presets, though.  You might get nausiated.  If you get one, just download a buttload of patches here, weed the ones out you don't need, and tweak the good ones to your liking with your rig.  Most of it is EQ and gain with the excellent programmers and ears here on the site.

Good luck in your decision!

GLiDE



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by thirtyplus on 2011-05-19 14:37:25

Thanks for that Glideman,

The Blues Deville has an effect loop (Preamp out is the send,  Power amp in is the return).

I am still wondering is there any time lapse between patches (pet hate from the Boss ME-50)?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by frankhammes on 2011-05-28 04:59:17

Hey all,

What's your opinion about the latest Crown I-T5000HD Power Amplifier? Its too expensive....



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Pobinr on 2011-07-14 14:39:00

I'm computer based user with a UX2. Can these HD amps run on the UX2 ?

Is there or will there be a new toneport that will run the HD tones ?



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by Pobinr on 2011-07-16 08:17:54

Why don't they provide the HD500 amp sim software to run with UX2 ?

Or is the hardware (HD500) an essential part of it.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by TheRealZap on 2011-07-16 08:42:32

right now it only runs on the hardware... they may eventually have the option for the UX2 if they come up with a plugin version...

but i'd expect it to be a pricey addon/upgrade

just my guess though....



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by shreddingjoris on 2011-09-08 08:19:20

I just tested the pod hd in a store, and i really was NOT impressed @ all, it still sounds like a regular pod to me, it sounds a bit more pushed and clear, but still has that fizz on the high end... Further on i don't like the amp list on this one. There are no tight sounding amps on it like a mesa mark or the jcm 2000 wich i like in the X3 and use. I hope there will be more amps in the future.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by jnuhjnuh on 2011-09-15 19:31:01

It's not something you can just play in the store and instantly get tight tones. The presets are crap for the most part.  The fizzyness goes away for me when I tweak the master level on the volume and in deep editing. It resumes tightness and clarity. Have you ever turned a tube amp on low volume and cranked the gain?... Same kind of fizzyness (especially in the rectifier series). In this case the high gain models are emulating the actual amps... Cranking that master and turning up the volume (as well as a good PA / AMP / Stereo / or set of headphones) makes all the difference.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by shreddingjoris on 2011-09-18 02:26:38

That's the thing, these guys @ line 6 try so hard to make the soft and hardware so good, still they manage to let the factory presets sounds like ...., I spend hours on tweaking my X3 and i'm almost happy with it. Because i can get the high notes to sound thick and well balanced, but when i play the thicker strings it's just a tiny bit muddy. But still acceptabel... Anyway i'll check it out more soon



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by rocker43 on 2011-10-16 20:44:17

I am really enjoying the hd500.  I am late to the party but have plenty of toys that have kept me busy.  I have had the gt10 since it came out.  But boss and there inability to do any kind of updates really bothers me.  There are some parts of the gt-10 I really liked, but I always thought there amp sims could have been better.  I had a fractal axe ultra, excellent product but so damn expensive.  To me I am having just as much fun using the hd500.  I sure wish it were able to be used with pod farms, and had the ability to tweak after recording.  But I will take what I can get when I can get it and I really like this product.  I had the m13 and it just wasn't as useful to me as the hd500.  If line6 keeps updating it and allows the use of pod farm hd.  I think it would be an A++ product.  Way to go line 6 you hit a home run on this product and if there is a possiblity of future updates for recording purposes.   One other thing, I sure wish it were easier to use with my redwirez IR's.  Words couldn't describe how much I would enjoy my hd500.   



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by StokesGA on 2011-11-21 04:21:34

The HD line in a whole, are great processors,, trust me.. I have had Roland, Boss, VOX and Zoom.. the Line 6 HD hands down beats them all for flexibility... You cannot get better than the Vox Tonelab LE for true tube tone.. but that is Vox's little niche in the world.. you get great tube tone.. but your limited to the 1/4 unbalanced output if you run straight to PA and the signal on cleans is very hard for the sound guy to bring up... Each unit on the market has its good points and its bad points.. Line6 just happens to have more good than bad..The on board patches are for the most part crap and they are only really a guide to show you how to produce a certain tone.. There is work you have to do yourself to bring the most out of that tone.. That is true for all processors on the market...If your happy with the X3 ,, Why bother upgrading to the HD? I have learn a few lessons over the years ,, and one is if it ain't broke don't fix it... If you have a ton of work in the X3 and have your tone where you want it and are truly happy.. why not stick with it?..just my 2 cents..

What sets line 6 apart also is the development team is constantly updating and supporting their software.. you will not get that with another unit on the market.. VOX could have owned the market if they had chose to support the Tonelab LE like Line 6 supports their products.. I can tell you through an amplifier on clean chanel VOX tone ,, you just don't get any closer to true tube tone than that...without running tubes..Line6 can run through and Amplifier also.. but it really shines on direct link to PA..



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by mannydingo on 2011-11-21 04:47:21

"trust me.. I have had Roland, Boss, VOX and Zoom.. the Line 6 HD hands down beats them all for flexibility"

@StokesGA - I notice you didn't mention Digitech. You may have tried Digitech at the store or a friend's house but you really should take an RP1000 or GSP1101(the one I use) home for a try. You would be right in saying that either unit is much less versatile and has fewer options than the HD but that's because the HD came out more recently. If Digitech came out with a unit now it would have more. Really, Digitech is similar to your VOX experience. It just sounds more natural and more organic than the competition at its price. I cannot say it sounds better than the HD because I only tried the HD for a half an hour at the store. There's nothing like taking it home for a long period of time so I can't be fair to the HD with only that amount of time. It will have more volume than the VOX at the PA, too.

Give it a try. We never know what's for us until we try. Try to ignore the posts that will emerge saying Digitech is a piece of crap and that they tried it for a year and couldn't get a good sound. That's probably very true for them but your taste might be different. Only you can make that decision for yourself.



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by sinistralx on 2011-11-29 02:58:26

After using the HD500 for a few months now I can honestly say I am extremely happy with the upgrade (from the XT Live). In smaller venues I run it through a Tech21 Power Engine 2x12 and for the larger gigs with pro front of house I go DI. In both scenarios have received nothing but compliments on my sound. It really kicks butt going through a big PA. At the moment I am doing a lot of mainstream covers and bluesy stuff. I use a Les Paul with Seymour Duncan P-Rails for maximum versatility and the HD500 reacts beautifully to this. Its great to have a piece of kit that excites me again.

The trick for me is too start building your tone with clean slate. Choose the amp you want based on the tone you try to achieve,,, add a bit of ‘room’ and dial the amp in. Then go from there. Ultimately I would love dual atomic reactors or maybe even a second PE60 2x12 to start exploring dual tones J….. one day… (soon I hope)




Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by stefan_xyz on 2012-12-21 03:49:32

johneek,

i disagree to Karl_Houseknecht: I have a PodXT and bought a HD500 lately. I spent 30 hours in tweaking acoustic sound of HD500 and gave up now. It never comes close to the ACO2 amp model in the PodXT. There are lots of acoustic patches in the HD500 but none of them comes close to the PodXT. The patches rely on some EQ which you can not manipulate through the knobs on the HD500. I tried to do a gig with the HD500 and it was a desaster as I could not dive into the submenues on stage.
I think the HD500 is not for acoustic guitar players. Line6 has had two years now to add the acoustic amp model and nothing happened ...



Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?
by zack5150 on 2013-01-03 14:32:41

Recently got the pod hd400...big dissappointment..im my opinion..The Pod X3 Pro is the best unit line 6 have made...that is all!!!




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