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doulotop   1 posts since
Feb 6, 2009
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15. Nov 6, 2009 11:53 PM in response to: perezhernan
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Today mid November and 3 months since apple has released Snow Leopard. Are you guys still on holidays driking tequilas in CA or just a bunch of amateurs????

This is just incredible to get such a poor support!!!

nworbse   1 posts since
Nov 20, 2008
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16. Nov 7, 2009 6:48 AM in response to: sereboff
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

I'm with you. I purchased the TonePort UX2 on sale from a local business. I was just getting the hang of recording with it when Snow Leopard came out. Of course I updated to it. Why wouldn't you? To my great surprise the TonePort didn't function properly anymore. Line 6 totally dropped the ball here. Everyone knew that Snow Leopard was coming out. Line 6 had adequate time to develop drivers. Now it's the middle of November and there are still NO updated drivers! Snow Leopard has been out for a couple of months and STILL NO DRIVERS?!?!? Line 6's reputation had dropped significantly for me. At this point I couldn't recommend them to my friends. I'm even thinking of purchasing another USB interface to do my recording. I guess I can chalk this up to another learning experience that cost me $130! No, more than that since I plan on purchasing another interface from a different company! I'm totally disgusted with the tech support of Line 6. I had always thought of them as a technically advanced company. Boy, they had me fooled!!!  

heday60   9 posts since
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17. Nov 7, 2009 6:59 AM in response to: sereboff
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Seriously... This almost has me ready to sell my Bass Pod XTL and look at something else.

TvTan   9 posts since
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18. Nov 10, 2009 2:29 AM in response to: heday60
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

This is a joke....Snow Leopard was released August 28th......it's now November 9th.....This is more than enough time to get things sorted, every other maufacturer of gear that I use has updated their drivers...apart from Line 6....I even tried to call the office to see if I could speak to a real live person, you know, a living breathing, customer focussed employee....but was told the offices are only open between 10 - 4!!!!!! This may or may not explain why Line 6 are dragging their heels with regards to keeping up with everyone else in the industry....

 

Time to move on I think, pathetic work Line 6.

hihayhiho   1 posts since
Oct 4, 2009
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19. Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM in response to: TvTan
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

While I find the Line 6 products themselves fantastic, I agree that the support has been virtually non-existant. I'm an owner of a Toneport UX8, and purchased the new generation of Imac in order to run said UX8 and Logic Studio Pro at full speed no latency. Of course the new Imac comes pre-loaded with snow leopard 10.6.1 so Line 6 cannot blame me for upgrading from 10.5.8. I'm making due with the Beta drivers, but eagerly await the official release.

 

On a somewhat related note, I was disappointed to learn that the Beta drivers only run in 32 bit, I hope there will be a version released to take full advantage of the 64 bit architecture of the new macs and snow leopard. This is why I purchased them after all. I'm aware that Logic studio currently only supports 32 bit, but with version 10's release 64 bit is expected and it'd be great if my midi drivers supported it.

 

Now I've done a few hackintosh/x86 projects in the past, and modifying kexts (even complex graphics drivers) from one version of OSX to the next has never been a problem, even for a self proclaimed amateur as myself. As stated before, myself, and I'm sure many others are not simply frustrated that their $130-$600 Line 6 product is not functioning, but that all other hardware/software purchased that is dependent on these USB/MIDI devices are rendered useless, or not operating to advertised capacity.

 

In my case we are talking:

$1500 new Imac

$800 in software

$1100 Yamaha DGX-630

$100 foot switch system (to control UX8)

$1200 Alesis Electronic Drum set

$??? in guitars, mics, and other equipment

 

Of course these do work individually and the beta drivers offer use in a limited capacity, but I didn't spend the money for this system to operate in anything less than full capacity. My frustrations stem from this fact, but if the snow leopard driver pack is 64 bit and a fully polished, tested product when finally released I will certainly be satisfied once again and continue to recommend Line 6's stellar hardware (if not software) to others.

heday60   9 posts since
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20. Nov 11, 2009 7:38 AM in response to: hihayhiho
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

I can say one thing about Line6Edit not working, it has forced me to learn to edit my models on my Bass Pod XTL by hand.

 

But I would love to be able to try out some from the community, and that's not happening until they fix this!

jrperser   2 posts since
Nov 7, 2009
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21. Nov 11, 2009 11:58 AM in response to: doulotop
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

After having run a software development organization that supported multiple platforms, I can only say that I can sympathize with Line 6.  They have limited resources and my guess is that most of those have been preparing software for the Windows7 launch in October.  When you only have so many developers and testers, something has to give, and that's typically going to be one segment of your customer base, the smallest.  Unfortunate as it is, that's a fact of business.  At least my option is to boot up on my backup of Leopard to run any Line6 product software.  For those of you that have just purchased new hardware that only comes with Snow Leopard, I feel your pain.

 

There are calculated decisions that are made everyday in the software business, some good, some bad.  Looks like we Snow Leopard users got the short end of the stick.  What other products out there rival the performance of the line6 units and support SL?

nextexit_1   2 posts since
Oct 1, 2007
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22. Nov 11, 2009 10:14 PM in response to: jrperser
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Here's the deal, I don't think that people would be so mad if this was the first inconvenience.  I know as someone who bought the POD X3, it took 6 months before we had gearbox available.  That is unreal b/c there wasn't any os releases preventing it from being bug free.  Also, it has taken them since the release to make the thing almost completely functional.  I understand that there are time constraints, but when are we going to stop being forgiving of a company that halfa***s everything.  I'm starting now.  I was really interested in record...but not now.  I was definitely going to buy the m9.  Not now.  I'm tired of a company that doesn't support real musicians.  I'm keeping my dl 4 and dropping my x3.  I might just keep it as controller for guitar rig if that even works correctly.  Sorry line 6, that's over 600 dollars in me you lost.  I hope everyone else follows suit.  Also, I'm sorry line6_miller has to deal with this crap.  He should get a pay raise for the past 2 years.

istlota Juststartin' 17 posts since
Apr 28, 2007
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23. Nov 12, 2009 9:14 AM in response to: jrperser
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Failure to meet customer expectations is the result of poor business planning, not an inevitable consequence of doing business.

 

I used to work for a company which had a large staff of programmers. That company practiced the same way of of doing business as Line 6. Which is to say that shareholder dividends, and upper management bonuses, were a higher priority than investment in the necessary resources to meet customer expectations. That company lost customers at an escalating rate every year that I worked there. This was not due to the programmers because those poor guys were working many hours on their own time to try and meet scheduled deadlines. There just were not enough programmers on staff to meet those deadlines. And, that was not an inevitable consequence of doing business. That was the inevitable consequence of the widespread misperception held by most corporate executives which says that bonuses to top management, and dividends to stockholders, are higher priorities than making the necessary investment in workforce, and in tools for that workforce, to meet customer expectations.

 

Companies which accept failure to meet customer expectations as inevitable and unavoidable are destined to loose their  customer base.

oderwat Juststartin' 26 posts since
May 23, 2009
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24. Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM in response to: istlota
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Well... I am also in the business of software development and even responsible for where and how to invest our resources... from my point of view... it is very "easy":

 

a) Line 6 invests only where it thinks the userbase has enough influence on their business

b) Line 6 is not able to deliver the missing software compability

 

If it is a) (what I hope) they may underestimate it... or are right. I do not have their numbers. But maybe it is just no big deal to have some people complain... esp. when they already spent their money.

 

If it is b) it can be, because of different things. "No resources" is one of them but that leads to a)... anything leads to A... They do NOT CARE ABOUT THE USER!

 

See... It is very easy... there are no excuseses if you do business... and there are no other ways for us to react than to not pay any more money to this company... we can wait.. we can complain. But the only thing which will actually "count" is... not paying more money for their products. Which in result may make it even harder for Line 6 to deliver... But why should we care anymore if we stop using Line 6 gear?

 

The bad thing: Customers do forget their problems as soon as they are solved... a lot of companies run like that in this times. Well who does even care about those "MAC Users" ... I am myself a Windows 7 user.... waiting on my 27" iMac ... I can't use my POD Studio UX2 on windows 7 without problems.. I hope I will be able to use it on the MAC later... but I already got another device too... cause it is not about money.. it is about "abilities" and Line 6 just sucks big time... poor pathetic service!

 

- Hans

gregap_42   8 posts since
May 24, 2007
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25. Nov 15, 2009 7:35 PM in response to: sereboff
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Line6 Miller -

 

I have been using the 4.2.5 beta on SL for months, but I am still having issues with static and popping and it would be nice to be 64-bit compatible if for no other reason than I am tired of having to change to 32-bit mode in system preferences every time I want to change the settings for in/out on my UX8. I am also frustrated by the fact that Line6 Monkey still doesn't work. It'd also be nice to be able to brag on the great tone that I get from the amps in GearBox without having to add the caveats that it doesn't always work and my OS isn't supported.

 

Is there any timeline on an updated driver that corrects all of these issues? I really like my UX8 and POD Farm and how easy it use to use them with Garageband to lay down tracks, but after three months I am growing impatient.

 

Thanks in advance for fixing these problems and letting me get back to using the equipment as it was intended.

 

Thanks,

 

Greg

istlota Juststartin' 17 posts since
Apr 28, 2007
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26. Nov 16, 2009 2:03 PM in response to: gregap_42
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

I think, based on Line 6's well documented history of clicks and pops with PCs as well as MACs, that it is unrealistic to expect some future driver version to resolve the problem. Maybe it would happen, but the past couple of years' history strongly suiggest that that ain't likely to be the case.

 

In my opinion, you have to either spend more money to buy a faster computer with more memory or forget about sending digital audio across the USB to a Line 6 audio interface.

 

I went with the latter approach, which is cheaper than buying a new computer. My typical Ableton Live projects are 15 to 20 tracks and I almost never have clicks and pops, even thought my computer is only a 1.83 GHz MAC Mini with only 2 megs of ram and even though I use a _lot_ of plugins. I only use the USB bus when POD Farm authorizes my X3L as an iLok and when I am using Gearbox to customize tones. Rather then try and pump digital audio back and forth across the USB between a MAC and a Line 6 audio interface, I spent $200 for a Presonus i1394 interface and pump digital audio via the firewire 400 bus. When I want to use X3L effects instead of POD Farm effects, I run 1/4 cables from the X3L stereo output to audio inputs on the i1394.

 

The idea, here, is to avoid sending digital audio back and forth across the USB which, from my experiences, is the source of most clicks and pops. I can run at higher CPU utilizations w/o clicks and pops when using the FW400 bus instead of the USB. Apple and Line 6 have been pointing fingers back and forth for awhile now about who is at fault for the inefficient USB thoughput. But, I don't care who is at fault. I just want to make music.

 

 

http://alonetone.com/istlota/tracks/squelch-it-t2

symbolic_blaine   1 posts since
May 11, 2007
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27. Dec 27, 2009 7:47 PM in response to: sereboff
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

Ah... see i am not a Mac person, because i cannot afford to be.  I had no idea that Line 6 was dropping the ball for Mac as well.  See, my good friend who is also a huge lind 6 fan, just upgraded his desk top to windows 7 in hopes of utalizing some real good stable quadcore operations.  And seeing that its been months of no drivers, and yes the beta drivers suck and still have drop outs and pops, i have been patiently waiting myself to upgrade my system.  But my delema is that I am on a time deadline, and i have waited long enough.  And tho a lot of these other customers are understanding that new operating systems have bugs and it takes work and all that.. i DO NOT understand anymore, because i did some research and found out that...

 

Every other recording company in the industry HAS REAL drivers that work perfectly with win7, with NO bugs what so ever!!!

 

So i bought a very nice usb m-audio interface, guitar rig 3, and and sweat DI box, and i am now up and running JUST FINE!  So, unlike alot of these other disappointed customers.. i am not waiting anymore, i have moved on, and you have LOST a costomer here. I own 3 line 6 heads, 3 floor boards, a DL4, and a UX2.  I plan on buying a new tube amp/midi awitching rack system to replace all said line 6 heads and floor boards, which you will soon be able to purchase on craigs list.

 

Anyways lots of luck to you Line6 in attemting to keep customers in the future if you plan on keep treating customers this way.  And just a heads up, if you dont have real drivers that work well with said operating systems by winter NAMM in january, you will have A LOT of very bitter visitors to your confrence room upstairs lol.. hope it all works out in the end

 

- The disappointed and vacated customer.

carlventis   2 posts since
Feb 4, 2007
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28. Dec 28, 2009 9:36 AM in response to: sereboff
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

I agree with ALL the above. But to add to the Dumbness of it all line 6 keeps sending my **** they want me to buy.LOL I will go so far as to say if they dont fix this with win7 and and other OS,I will Pickit there Space at the 2010 NAMM show and make certen that everyone who go's in the Room there will Know there are No Win7 or snow lepord drivers for the FU@#$ing Products.I am wondering if there Just Dumb eather way it has and will cost them. Even if they do make drivers that work for Win 7 I will No longer invest in line 6. I own a UX2,All the amp models,A line 6 flextone3 with floorboard.I have recomended them to my students. That has Now ended.HEY LINE 6 Fix The FU#ING Drivers. Sorry if i sound ****** I am. Thank you to All who have posted here,I know i am not alone in my anger. A ****** off Line 6 X User.

moops155   1 posts since
Oct 28, 2009
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29. Dec 29, 2009 2:21 PM in response to: carlventis
Re: Remarkably bad service and planning by Line 6

I had my ux2 working with 10.6 and now it wont, the mac recoginzes it , garageband recognizes it but no sound to garage band???? this is f'in ridicoulous should have kept the m-audio, probably just get another one

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