Hey, guys.
I've been doing some research since I want to improve my tone - as we always do. So this is for the ones who like to rock with a 4x12 cabinet and a loud volume: which power amp do you use? Or do you use a head instead? Going through the effects loop return maybe? You get the point. Thinking you need to play LOUD without a PA.
I know there are some similar discussions but I didn't find any directed to a power amp and cabinet setup. I just want to know what you use to get your best results.
Currently I'm running my POD x3 through the power section of a Fender MH-500 head with a matching Fender MH-412 loaded with four 100watt Celestions. This amp is pretty controversial (as I have read on some other forums) but it is surely clean and with LOTS of headroom to work with.
So...what about you???
Thanks for your input!
I play through a Mesa 20/20 power amp into a Mesa 2 x 12 cab in stereo mode. The low-wattage tube set up sounds delicious at the low volumes I need for the venues I play. I also run direct to the PA for recording and volume support, depending on the venue.
I had the 20/20 sitting around unused for years until I got the X3L. I re-tubed it with JJ's, and did the so-called 'deep mod'. W.O.W. wow. The Spiritguitar dual patches are heavenly in this set up.
Here is a crappy phone pic of the rig dressed up with Halloween lights for a gig tonight:
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I've been thinking about trying my Marshall 100 watt tube power amp (50 per side) with the 4x12 cab. Or one of my smaller cabs.
Or a combo, with the pod going into the Power Amp input.
Both should yield more "guitar amp" like results.
I haven't had results I like yet using a PA. Seems ok by itself, but when multiple vocals and the keyboards going the guitar gets lost. I can turn it up so you can hear it ok, but when everything else stops the guitar is too loud. So it ends up being too quiet when everyone's singing and the keyboards are pumping, but when everything else is quiet the guitar is too loud.
Plus it doesn't respond well to the volume knob on the guitar, like an amp does.
Phil, I play traditional blues and rely on the guitar's volume knob extensively throughout my sets. I mainly use the Fender-type amp models, the JTM-45, and the Matchless DC-30 (my current fave). To make sure I get the full range of the volume knob, I minimize any use of effects and especially avoid heavy compression.
Note that many of the models mimic the real-life behavior, i.e., my real Boogie rectifier doesn't react well to subtle volume knob tweaks when in high-gain mode, either.
Try checking to see what effects are on and how they might be interacting with your signal.
Regarding the PA, it is indeed tough to get a dynamic mix. I have found you definitely need a PA with plenty of headroom, or else you get the result you mention where everything is compressed during the louder parts of a song, and then all of a sudden the guitar is too loud when everyone is quiet. I'm looking to try different amps soon for the same reason.
Wow, that's a cool Boogie you got there.
The thing is, my current cover band is rehearsing in this studio that has 2 awesome hand-made tube heads, with 4x12 using Eminences. I never cared too much for tubes but I'm in love with them!
I'm not saying I'll get rid of my POD - I'd never do that! I've been using since 2.0 in the very beginning so it's very important to my sound. But I'm considering plugging it into a tube power-amp. Unfortunately, some models - like your Boogie - are VERY hard to get here in Brazil but I won't lose hope! lol
I have had good results with a PA, but you really have to watch out when everybody is there together. It's so much easier having an AMP and I think it feels better, specially when you need feedback from the speakers. I never heard a POD through a PA that has the punch it has from a 4x12 or even a 2x12. Not saying it's impossible also...only more work.
Do you guys use some other effects processor too? I don't, although I use a few stompboxes in front of it - in the old days of version 2, we didn't have those and I still have the habbit.
Thanks you both for your input, I really appreciate it!
Also, could you tell us more about this "deep-mod"?
Thanks!
If you have two amps laying around, by all means run the 1/4" outs into the amp. Try going into the guitar inputs and a direct in (such as the effects return, if possible) and see which you like better. Run stereo if you can, it really makes the sound come to life, especially with dual tones.
In the pic I posted, the little Boogie rig is wired in stereo, so each of the speakers in the cab is being driven by a different amp channel, essentially a 2 x 20 watt/stereo 2 x 12 cab setup. Very nice sound at a low volume, but enough to fill a small club.
Regarding the deep mod, it is a mod where removing an input capacitor eliminates a mid-range presence from the amp. You can google boogie deep mod to find the details.
Try the amps and let us know!
I have been using a Peavey CS200 into my Marshall 4X10. The flat response of the PA amp lets the POD be the direct tone generator and I don't have the extra layer of EQ to fight.
I have more than one amp but the sizes don't really match...lol...but I'll do some more experiences on that. I did it when I bought the X3 and it sure sounds great...makes me think of Warren Haynes among many others that record with both really big and really small amps together for a great effect...love his tone on Mr. High & Mighty...anyway, I'm really considering a tube power amp to warm things up a bit.
I guess the X3 would do a great job with 6L6s. A friend of mine lent me an old Brazilian-made tube head but I still didn't have the time to put it up with volume and try it the way I should. It has 2 sovtek 6l6 and sounds very clean, much like a Fender twin.
I'll work on my lab later this week and keep you guys posted!
I have run my POD XT into the effects return on my JCM 900 combo and it sounded pretty awesome. I have used it with a generic 412 loaded with 80's Eminence speakers powered with a Carvin stereo tube power amps and it was OK. Coulda been the speaker cab.
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