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9 Replies Last post: Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM by dasvox  
michelpereira   21 posts since
Nov 21, 2007
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Oct 30, 2009 12:35 PM

Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

Hey, guys.

 

I've been doing some research since I want to improve my tone - as we always do. So this is for the ones who like to rock with a 4x12 cabinet and a loud volume: which power amp do you use? Or do you use a head instead? Going through the effects loop return maybe? You get the point. Thinking you need to play LOUD without a PA.

 

I know there are some similar discussions but I didn't find any directed to a power amp and cabinet setup. I just want to know what you use to get your best results.

 

Currently I'm running my POD x3 through the power section of a Fender MH-500 head with a matching Fender MH-412 loaded with four 100watt Celestions. This amp is pretty controversial (as I have read on some other forums) but it is surely clean and with LOTS of headroom to work with.

 

So...what about you???

 

Thanks for your input!

tbrisson Juststartin' 15 posts since
May 31, 2009
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1. Oct 30, 2009 2:54 PM in response to: michelpereira
Re: Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

I play through a Mesa 20/20 power amp into a Mesa 2 x 12 cab in stereo mode.  The low-wattage tube set up sounds delicious at the low volumes I need for the venues I play.  I also run direct to the PA for recording and volume support, depending on the venue. 

 

I had the 20/20 sitting around unused for years until I got the X3L. I re-tubed it with JJ's, and did the so-called 'deep mod'. W.O.W. wow. The Spiritguitar dual patches are heavenly in this set up.

 

Here is a crappy phone pic of the rig dressed up with Halloween lights for a gig tonight:

 

[IMG]http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u302/tbrisson/IMG_0317.jpg[/IMG]

philasonic Juststartin' 128 posts since
Oct 19, 2009
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2. Oct 30, 2009 6:19 PM in response to: michelpereira
Re: Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

I've been thinking about trying my Marshall 100 watt tube power amp (50 per side) with the 4x12 cab.  Or one of my smaller cabs.

 

Or a combo, with the pod going into the Power Amp input.

 

Both should yield more "guitar amp" like results.

 

I haven't had results I like yet using a PA.  Seems ok by itself, but when multiple vocals and the keyboards going the guitar gets lost.  I can turn it up so you can hear it ok, but when everything else stops the guitar is too loud.  So it ends up being too quiet when everyone's singing and the keyboards are pumping, but when everything else is quiet the guitar is too loud.

 

Plus it doesn't respond well to the volume knob on the guitar, like an amp does.

tbrisson Juststartin' 15 posts since
May 31, 2009
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3. Nov 2, 2009 11:48 AM in response to: philasonic
Re: Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

Phil, I play traditional blues and rely on the guitar's volume knob extensively throughout my sets.  I mainly use the Fender-type amp models, the JTM-45, and the Matchless DC-30 (my current fave).  To make sure I get the full range of the volume knob, I minimize any use of effects and especially avoid heavy compression.

 

Note that many of the models mimic the real-life behavior, i.e., my real Boogie rectifier doesn't react well to subtle volume knob tweaks when in high-gain mode, either.

 

Try checking to see what effects are on and how they might be interacting with your signal.

 

Regarding the PA, it is indeed tough to get a dynamic mix.  I have found you definitely need a PA with plenty of headroom, or else you get the result you mention where everything is compressed during the louder parts of a song, and then all of a sudden the guitar is too loud when everyone is quiet.  I'm looking to try different amps soon for the same reason.

tbrisson Juststartin' 15 posts since
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6. Nov 2, 2009 4:47 PM in response to: michelpereira
Re: Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

If you have two amps laying around, by all means run the 1/4" outs into the amp.  Try going into the guitar inputs and a direct in (such as the effects return, if possible) and see which you like better.  Run stereo if you can, it really makes the sound come to life, especially with dual tones. 

 

In the pic I posted, the little Boogie rig is wired in stereo, so each of the speakers in the cab is being driven by a different amp channel, essentially a 2 x 20 watt/stereo 2 x 12 cab setup. Very nice sound at a low volume, but enough to fill a small club.

 

Regarding the deep mod, it is a mod where removing an input capacitor eliminates a mid-range presence from the amp. You can google boogie deep mod to find the details.

 

Try the amps and let us know!

DKSears   6 posts since
Jun 17, 2007
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7. Nov 2, 2009 5:19 PM in response to: tbrisson
Re: Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

I have been using a Peavey CS200 into my Marshall 4X10.  The flat response of the PA amp lets the POD be the direct tone generator and I don't have the extra layer of EQ to fight.

dasvox Juststartin' 163 posts since
Jan 29, 2007
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9. Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM in response to: michelpereira
Re: Which power amp do you use with POD and a 4x12?

I have run my POD XT into the effects return on my JCM 900 combo and it sounded pretty awesome. I have used it with a generic 412 loaded with 80's Eminence speakers powered with a Carvin stereo tube power amps and it was OK. Coulda been the speaker cab.

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